how long can u be off sick before being dismissed

[fallenworld2022]

How long can u be off sick before being dismessed? is their any documents on this? if u are to ill to do your job can they just decide to sack u anytime?

[mattick]

If you maintain regular contact with your COM (as per the guidelines in the Attendance Agreement) and have the appropriate medical documentation.

You’ll be paid 6 months full pay, then you’ll be paid 6 months half pay (long as you completed one full year of employment)

You’ll most likely be referred to OH assist. Long as you follow the appropriate guidelines, RM won’t touch you unless they feel like losing another employment tribunal.

[fallenworld2022]

maintain regular contact, will i suppose not so much u talking to them, unless they phone u in, but sending lines in they usually leave u alone long as they have oh assist reports. But i would imagine if they requested u to see them and knocked them back that would spell trouble for u

[iHateD2Ds]

Follow the guidelines and remain in contact , six months full pay then six months half pay and referral to occupational health somewhere in between.
If you’ve got a legitimate reason to be off sick with medical evidence RM cannot sack you within 12 months but may retire you ill health .

[fallenworld2022]

how do u kick off the ill health procedure?

[redlen]

Follow the guidelines and remain in contact , six months full pay then six months half pay and referral to occupational health somewhere in between.
If you’ve got a legitimate reason to be off sick with medical evidence RM cannot sack you within 12 months but may retire you ill health .

Think you will find your statement incorrect.

Any employer can dismiss you within the first two years of service and the dismissal will be automatically fair without compensation on capability unless covered under the Equality Act..

And Ill Health Retirement is a dismissal/sacking process.

[Boltonian-White]

how do u kick off the ill health procedure?

Ill health retirement with lump sum? Are you currently on long term sick? Is it a problem that may be resolved with a transfer? ( usually it’s the manager causing problems)

The IHR offer is not based on time frame ( I see this question often). It’s based on the OPG’s capacity to return to work and when / if they ( OH and manager) can get the OPG back to work based on their prognosis ( recovery time ).

RM won’t offer IHR with lump sum without proof from a medical professional(s) and even then the gatekeepers are the manager dealing with the case and HR. Even in some cases where an OPG is genuinely ill ( and this is my opinion) IHR won’t be offered simply because of management bias. OPG should contact their Cwu area rep over this.

If it’s a physical problem where the OPG cannot return to work in any capacity and the OPG prognosis ( recovery time) is poor then the IHR procedure is usually pretty straightforward but can take time ( RM aren’t fools and will investigate every case, for example check social media, friends and family social media etc etc)

If it’s a mental health problem then this is murkier waters and potentially RM can leave the OPG to rot, which just exacerbates any mental health problems.

All the OPG can do is keep in contact with the OPGs GP, manager and OH. Also the OPG should collect as much evidence as possible, for example as well as phone calls with the manager use emails to confirm every detail of every conversation as a paper trail if proof is needed later.

It can be a long and difficult process to get IHR but if the OPG is genuinely ill and cannot return to work the IHR procedure should work. Not saying it will.

[fallenworld2022]

the thing is it aint much now is it? 4 months or something, plus some service, and whats the rule do they take money back off u for every month u have been off sick or something or deduct the months

[Terrance]

Fallen world good luck with that I have had sciatica for 8 and half months my pain gets worse when I walk, sit, stand ,bend over, I can t do my job as a postman and there are no alternative jobs ,I have seen a spinal specialist had physio for 5 months , OH have told RM I am not fit enough to do my job and have requested my medical records 6 weeks ago and not made any attempt to get them . My dom aren’t returning my calls and is reading my what’s app messages and not replying. OH called me out the blue and I missed the call so they have now closed my case telling me my dom has to refer me again. I have got my rep involved now . Good luck to you

[fallenworld2022]

so what happens after 6 months full pay, then half pay do they just sack u cause u cant do the job if they dont ihr u or u just stay on the payroll as nil pay?

[aiden01]

the thing is it aint much now is it? 4 months or something, plus some service, and whats the rule do they take money back off u for every month u have been off sick or something or deduct the months

Its 16 weeks plus pilon ( pay in lieu of notice as long as you have done 12 years).no nothing will be deducted for being off sick.altho rm wanted it to work that way.

[LUKEYBOYS2015]

So its about 13 or 14 grand now ? The new ihr

[Danalini]

I’ve been an OPG with 20 yrs behind me , but have been off sick since May 2022 , since January of 2023 I’ve been getting NIL pay ( full pay for 6 months then half pay for like 2 weeks , NIL pay because they deducted previous sick periods over past 4 yrs ! )
Any hoo , I have had interview after interview with OH , they have had my medical records and because I am still undergoing further investigation on my condition they weren’t able to confirm my I’ll health retirement and suggest I am referred back to them after my investigations are complete .
I am being offered a sum to walk away …what do I settle for ? I’m new to benefits and the whole system , I was hoping to get back to work but my condition is preventing me from doing so .
Ohhhhh what to do ?

[Terrance]

I feel for you I spoke to my area rep yesterday about the whole I’ll health retirement situation and what is happening with it. He said he is not sure how long it’s on hold for could be weeks or months but they will have a meeting. They need to put out some kind of statement so we know what’s going on as I feel I’m being left to rot. No communication from managers for weeks or OH .

[Terrance]

Hi guys I have just had my 4th meeting with OH and she has at last agreed that I can no longer do the job for the foreseeable future. I now hope she will put in her report about LTBIH with a lump sum payment. I spoke to my line manager about it he told me to speak to HR from my end.