Working times

bedfordrl · Post by **bedfordrl** » 29 Feb 2008, 12:25

This has probably been asked before but,
Today is my day off and the missus has just rung me up saying that she has finished her duty and was about to come home when the manager asked her to take a van down to the workshop.
The workshop is a good three quarters of an hour away and it was about 12.15 and she had not had her break,i know but she is on a rural and could of took it on the round but wanted to get home to me ,ahhh.
She said "are you going to pay me for it "(well taught) and they said "no, you are paid until 14.00"
Now i have come across this before and i am not sure how to answer this.
Any help would be appriciated.

donut · Post by **donut** » 29 Feb 2008, 13:11

If she goes back to the office at 12.15 .... what does she expect ??

bedfordrl · Post by **bedfordrl** » 29 Feb 2008, 13:24

Yes i know about all that.
There has long been a culture in our office of swings and roundabouts and most days the job takes to time,but, when we want to get a move on for whatever reason no one says anything.
But the office is changing and the management are no longer so easy going and when a situation like this crops up i want to know how to reply.
This is for those blue moon occasions where you find yourself back at the office nice and early , what do you do from there ?.

Post by **dvbuk55** » 29 Feb 2008, 13:37

bedfordrl wrote:Yes i know about all that.
There has long been a culture in our office of swings and roundabouts and most days the job takes to time,but, when we want to get a move on for whatever reason no one says anything.
But the office is changing and the management are no longer so easy going and when a situation like this crops up i want to know how to reply.
This is for those blue moon occasions where you find yourself back at the office nice and early , what do you do from there ?.

You are right to say that the times they're a'changing. You cannot refuse to obey a lawfully given instruction within the scope of your training and within your contracted work time. Presumably there is a work plan time for a break to be taken, if it wasn't then who's to say if it had or had not been taken.
Consequently there would have been time within the 1400 finish time to go and return from the workshop.

bedfordrl · Post by **bedfordrl** » 29 Feb 2008, 13:39

Right , so job and finish is gone ?.

Post by **dvbuk55** » 29 Feb 2008, 13:55

bedfordrl wrote:Right , so job and finish is gone ?.

Under the new pay and modernisation agreement it has but then that in itself is subject to local agreement.

Big Daz · Post by **Big Daz** » 29 Feb 2008, 14:48

bedfordrl wrote:Right , so job and finish is gone ?.

Not yet

Untill the trial on "Utilising all paid work hours" is complete and untill HQ have reported back with further instructions/advice, then as far as i am concerened it IS STILL IN PLACE.

Post by **Lounge Lizard** » 29 Feb 2008, 15:56

bedfordrl wrote:Yes i know about all that.
There has long been a culture in our office of swings and roundabouts and most days the job takes to time,but, when we want to get a move on for whatever reason no one says anything..

If you show that you can get a move on some days then this will be expected of you every day.

Broxi51 · Post by **Broxi51** » 29 Feb 2008, 18:11

If it takes your wife 45 minutes there then it is natural to assume that it will take another 45 minutes to return. Since she hasnt had her break she should tell them she is going for her break. When she returns it will be almost 1pm. Now the 2 journeys plus any waiting time will take her over her contracted hours so she can then say NO.
Hope that helps

Big Daz · Post by **Big Daz** » 29 Feb 2008, 19:37

Broxi51 wrote:If it takes your wife 45 minutes there then it is natural to assume that it will take another 45 minutes to return. Since she hasnt had her break she should tell them she is going for her break. When she returns it will be almost 1pm. Now the 2 journeys plus any waiting time will take her over her contracted hours so she can then say NO.
Hope that helps

Spot on!

Well done!

bedfordrl · Post by **bedfordrl** » 29 Feb 2008, 20:15

Thanks .
So the end is nigh to the job working around us ,now the fun is taken out.
I was 22 years in agriculture and found the move into Royal Mail easy what with the seasonality of the work load and the job and finish but how long until we get clocking on machines ?.
If we will soon be expected to work the hours paid how will they know we have this ??.

BELIAL · Post by **BELIAL** » 29 Feb 2008, 20:23

bedfordrl wrote:Thanks .
So the end is nigh to the job working around us ,now the fun is taken out.
I was 22 years in agriculture and found the move into Royal Mail easy what with the seasonality of the work load and the job and finish but how long until we get clocking on machines ?.
If we will soon be expected to work the hours paid how will they know we have this ??.

22 years in the s**t and still no end in site

pop it in pete · Post by **pop it in pete** » 29 Feb 2008, 21:09

FLEXABILITY.!!!!!! THE MAJORITY VOTED FOR IT. WELCOME TO THE NEW WORLD OF ROYAL MAIL. So lesson is take meal break before you start your delivery go out and dont come back until your finish time. Its the new system get used to it work it!!!!!