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Post by Rumple »

It looks like Thompson has been playing the Union since day 1 and has always been 2 steps ahead with his master plan. He’s used the old saying of “keep your friends close and your enemies closer” to sleepwalk then Union into a disaster for its members.
Where can the CWU go from here? I don’t think a strongly worded letter to MPs will cut any mustard in the current climate.
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Especially because the bank of England basically said they want unemployment to rise in order to prevent workers being able to negotiate a payrise
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Kenfandango wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 14:40
Especially because the bank of England basically said they want unemployment to rise in order to prevent workers being able to negotiate a payrise
How will unemployment rise ?
royal mail is understaffed
Simon just wants to replace you with cheaper workers .
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77SAMPOST77 wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 14:47
How will unemployment rise ?
royal mail is understaffed
Simon just wants to replace you with cheaper workers .
The BofE WANT unemployment to rise, I don't know how they plan on it happening as we currently have companies crying out for staff. I was only mentioning it as it doesn't bode well for anyone trying to get some extra money to cope with the current economical dungstorm...
(I forgot to quote the relevant part in my first post, which was the "letter to MPs" part)
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The problem is, all the CWU seems to be putting out is, we've got this agreement that agreement etc.
Slightly deluded when Simon is bulldozering everything.
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Hes not won anything yet. Neither has the union. Its come to the point that both are as bad as each other.

Simon wants to take a lot of stuff from us in our current agreement, which some of it I agree and the majority i don't.

The union want everything to stay the same and keep its members happy by doing this. We have to adapt to change so as the business can have a healthy future, but personally striking during xmas is going to be bad for all of us. If it's not worked in the past striking how is it going to work now. After xmas us Turkey's will be culled and the staff you see today will no longer be around that includes myself.
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Rumple wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 14:37
It looks like Thompson has been playing the Union since day 1 and has always been 2 steps ahead with his master plan. He’s used the old saying of “keep your friends close and your enemies closer” to sleepwalk then Union into a disaster for its members.
Where can the CWU go from here? I don’t think a strongly worded letter to MPs will cut any mustard in the current climate.
If you call canning a profitable business of £750 million to a loss making £220 million a win, and are the head of this calamity, then you certainly have strange standards!!
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derricksmyth wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 15:14
Rumple wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 14:37
It looks like Thompson has been playing the Union since day 1 and has always been 2 steps ahead with his master plan. He’s used the old saying of “keep your friends close and your enemies closer” to sleepwalk then Union into a disaster for its members.
Where can the CWU go from here? I don’t think a strongly worded letter to MPs will cut any mustard in the current climate.
If you call canning a profitable business of £750 million to a loss making £220 million a win, and are the head of this calamity, then you certainly have strange standards!!
It hasn't been Simon Thompsons job to deliver huge profits. He was brought in to do what Rico Back didn't have the intelligence to do........break the CWU. And break Royal Mail up.
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POSTMAN wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 15:01
The problem is, all the CWU seems to be putting out is, we've got this agreement that agreement etc.
Slightly deluded when Simon is bulldozering everything.
I think that's something the union didn't seem to grasp and might only be starting to realise now.

The union has been focused on getting something that wasn't on the table right from the start, an old school agreement that would settle things down for a couple of years until the next flash point.

RM don't want an agreement as such and they don't want to settle anything down because they want an environment that's constantly changing (or evolving depending on your POV) and you can't do that with rigid agreements.

As far as RM are concerned the only way out of this is to negotiate/mitigate each change individually and move on knowing that nothing from now on will be carved in stone.

That's why they will make concessions on each issue during the negotiations but the won't put anything in writing.
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Post by Mungeys »

He might win in the short term but he's destroyed the morale of his entire workforce and it won't take long for the new starters to get fed up of doing the same job for less pay.

It's unrecoverable for him, so he might think he's done a great job at ripping up all the agreements and terms but in doing that he's doomed himself/the company in the long run because the people that do the work don't care anymore and won't care again.
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hazzeem025 wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 15:38
derricksmyth wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 15:14
Rumple wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 14:37
It looks like Thompson has been playing the Union since day 1 and has always been 2 steps ahead with his master plan. He’s used the old saying of “keep your friends close and your enemies closer” to sleepwalk then Union into a disaster for its members.
Where can the CWU go from here? I don’t think a strongly worded letter to MPs will cut any mustard in the current climate.
If you call canning a profitable business of £750 million to a loss making £220 million a win, and are the head of this calamity, then you certainly have strange standards!!
It hasn't been Simon Thompsons job to deliver huge profits. He was brought in to do what Rico Back didn't have the intelligence to do........break the CWU. And break Royal Mail up.
Funny, I thought the idea of business is to make a profit and not destroy the means of making it. Sad board of directors we have in charge.
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Where's Keith Williams in all of this, very quiet but pulling Pinocchio's strings!
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Williams is likely cozied up somewhere with his good friend Grant Shapps. Sucking err....gin...yeah let's just say gin.