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LTB 057/25 – Pay 2025 and Section 5 of the EP Agreement

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LTB 057/25 – Pay 2025 and Section 5 of the EP Agreement

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https://www.cwu.org/ltb/ltb-057-25-pay- ... agreement/

LTB 057/25 – Pay 2025 and Section 5 of the EP Agreement
No: 057/25

24th March 2025

Dear Colleague,

Pay 2025 and Section 5 of the EP Agreement

In December 2024 the CWU reached a groundbreaking agreement with EP which listed legal guarantees and several other commitments, including pay 2025 and resolving outstanding issues.

The agreement was dependent on EP becoming either the Controlling Shareholder or the Sole Shareholder.

The takeover has yet to clear the final regulatory process linked to Romania. This is due to recent Government elections in Romania which has delayed the clearance.

The delays in completing the takeover have clearly left the CWU facing the dilemma that the current Royal Mail Board is on its way out and does not want to negotiate an agreement resolving pay and the outstanding issues.

Whilst EP are not the owners there are legal processes in place that prevent them from authorising changes ahead of the takeover. As such the outcome is that we are not yet in a position where we can commence negotiations over the following:
  • Pay
  • Equalising New Entrants’ pay, terms and conditions over an agreed-upon period, with the first step taking place within three months of the transaction being completed.
  • A new resourcing process.
  • Review of scheduled attendance and overtime rates.
  • Reduction in agency staff.
  • Improvement in sick pay.
  • Improvement in VR terms.
  • A new incentive scheme.
  • Pilots on new ways of working.
We understand that our members deserve an above inflation pay rise. However, the unprecedented set of circumstances means that until the takeover has been completed any details on pay and the section 5 commitments would be a breach of the takeover panel rules as EP are not yet the owners.

We have called a policy forum for our field officials and Branches on 21st and 22nd May and we anticipate we will have a settlement on all the above if the transaction has been completed by that date.

It is important to confirm that any pay deal and all points listed above will be subject to an individual member ballot and likewise any pay agreement will be backdated to the beginning of April 2025.

We will keep Branches updated on exactly when we will be allowed to commence negotiations on the EP agreement, including pay.

Given the importance of this LTB I am asking all divisions and Branches to ensure the content is given the widest possible exposure to members.

Any enquiries should be referred to the DGS(P) department.

Yours sincerely,

Martin Walsh

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Re: LTB 057/25 – Pay 2025 and Section 5 of the EP Agreement

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There's simply answer - STRIKE!
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tramssirhc wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 13:04
There's simply answer - STRIKE!
Ahh so that was you an stage3,s plan.why STRIKE?
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Sean06 wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 13:26
tramssirhc wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 13:04
There's simply answer - STRIKE!
Ahh so that was you an stage3,s plan.why STRIKE?
i've no idea about stage3, I don't know stage3 or type for stage3. When an employer refuses to do something there is only one response. The pay deal should have been concluded for the anniversary date. The CWU clear state that there is no chance of a deal. If the CWU doesn't fight fire with fire then it's defeated.
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Re: LTB 057/25 – Pay 2025 and Section 5 of the EP Agreement

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"Equalising new entrants pay, terms and conditions"


This is a pretty ambiguous statement tbh. Why not state they want to raise them? :hmmmm
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Re: LTB 057/25 – Pay 2025 and Section 5 of the EP Agreement

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After the union rolled over after getting such a massive strike mandate last time I can't see anyone bothering to vote for strike action.
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I still would
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Me too.
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tramssirhc wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 13:04
There's simply answer - STRIKE!
The CWU will not get the support from the membership for that. People have not forgiven the surrender after 18 days of strike action 2 years ago. Work to rule action is the way.
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I wouldn't vote for it, but I certainly wouldn't cross a picket line, not that it would ever come to it, Cwu are just management lite now for me
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tramssirhc wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 15:42
Sean06 wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 13:26
tramssirhc wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 13:04
There's simply answer - STRIKE!
Ahh so that was you an stage3,s plan.why STRIKE?
i've no idea about stage3, I don't know stage3 or type for stage3. When an employer refuses to do something there is only one response. The pay deal should have been concluded for the anniversary date. The CWU clear state that there is no chance of a deal. If the CWU doesn't fight fire with fire then it's defeated.
Its been explained numerous times why the pay deal has not been concluded.an please point me in the direction where cwu clearly state there is no chance of a deal?
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Re: LTB 057/25 – Pay 2025 and Section 5 of the EP Agreement

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Sean06 wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 19:45
tramssirhc wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 15:42
Sean06 wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 13:26
tramssirhc wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 13:04
There's simply answer - STRIKE!
Ahh so that was you an stage3,s plan.why STRIKE?
i've no idea about stage3, I don't know stage3 or type for stage3. When an employer refuses to do something there is only one response. The pay deal should have been concluded for the anniversary date. The CWU clear state that there is no chance of a deal. If the CWU doesn't fight fire with fire then it's defeated.
Its been explained numerous times why the pay deal has not been concluded.an please point me in the direction where cwu clearly state there is no chance of a deal?
Have a look at the CWU's output. Martin Walsh says they won't make a deal
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
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Londonsburning wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 17:37
"Equalising new entrants pay, terms and conditions"


This is a pretty ambiguous statement tbh. Why not state they want to raise them? :hmmmm
And now they've admitted that it is a long term incremental equalisation.
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Re: LTB 057/25 – Pay 2025 and Section 5 of the EP Agreement

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tramssirhc wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 13:04
There's simply answer - STRIKE!
What would a strike achieve, the present board would just sit back and lets us strike, and so we'd all lose pay, until the new owners took over and then had to sort out the mess created?
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Re: LTB 057/25 – Pay 2025 and Section 5 of the EP Agreement

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tramssirhc wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 20:05
Sean06 wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 19:45
tramssirhc wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 15:42
Sean06 wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 13:26
tramssirhc wrote:
26 Mar 2025, 13:04
There's simply answer - STRIKE!
Ahh so that was you an stage3,s plan.why STRIKE?
i've no idea about stage3, I don't know stage3 or type for stage3. When an employer refuses to do something there is only one response. The pay deal should have been concluded for the anniversary date. The CWU clear state that there is no chance of a deal. If the CWU doesn't fight fire with fire then it's defeated.
Its been explained numerous times why the pay deal has not been concluded.an please point me in the direction where cwu clearly state there is no chance of a deal?
Have a look at the CWU's output. Martin Walsh says they won't make a deal
Still cannot see where mw says that.