Uso trials fatigue and h&s

[hans solo]

Are there any feedback or information regards increased delivery spans within uso trials
How are they reducing fatigue for walking men
How are they scheduling meal breaks
Our mgmt team think it will be 20 min before delivery and 20 at end of shift
I dont think thats even legal over 9 hr day
Are cwu monitoring effects on staff health (mental and physical ) during trials
Is workload being evened out fairly
We have heard nothing of note as yet

[hans solo]

And remembering cwu and RM have a duty of care for all employees

[chickenwittle]

Are there any feedback or information regards increased delivery spans within uso trials
How are they reducing fatigue for walking men
How are they scheduling meal breaks
Our mgmt team think it will be 20 min before delivery and 20 at end of shift
I dont think thats even legal over 9 hr day
Are cwu monitoring effects on staff health (mental and physical ) during trials
Is workload being evened out fairly
We have heard nothing of note as yet

The trials have barely started, so probably a bit too soon to get any feedback. As for breaks we are on the 9 day fortnight and do the 20/20 split which suits us as it takes 20 mins off our finish time .

[tramssirhc]

Are there any feedback or information regards increased delivery spans within uso trials
How are they reducing fatigue for walking men
How are they scheduling meal breaks
Our mgmt team think it will be 20 min before delivery and 20 at end of shift
I dont think thats even legal over 9 hr day
Are cwu monitoring effects on staff health (mental and physical ) during trials
Is workload being evened out fairly
We have heard nothing of note as yet

The legislation covering breaks only deals with an unpaid 20 minute break during working time of over 6 hours, not at the beginning or end of the working time. Under the WTR you could work 12 hours and all that the law requires is that you are given a 20 minute unpaid break away from the work. Any other arrangements are a matter for the employer and employee.

What workers are finding is that those who are only covered by the WTR are not receiving an unpaid break at all when working over 6 hours. The CWU of course isn't interested.

The trials have a mix of workers covered by different agreements. There has been no attempt by the CWU to resolve the break issue.

[hans solo]

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[tramssirhc]

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Like I said that only applies to workers covered by the WTR. Employers can agree different arrangements as long as they meet the minimum requirement - 20 minutes, unpaid, during the working time of 6 or more hours and away from the work.

[ted_e_bear]

Going back to the original post title, we're not a trial office but as it is now with walks being left in even some of our newish starters who are in their 20's to early 30's are starting to moan like f**k about how knackered they are after repeatedly having to do multiple days mail, this isn't going to end well.

[Mr Rush]

Our mgmt team think it will be 20 min before delivery and 20 at end of shift
I dont think thats even legal over 9 hr day

It's local agreement here to mitigate the later finishes. More broadly, only the first 20 minutes roughly in the middle is legally mandated. The 20 minutes at the end is gratis so it's irrelevant to the law.

[hans solo]

We are still due 40 min break and it should be taken in whole and not at end of working day
Local agreements cannot override govmt requirements
Especially health
Imagine a 6 hour del span without proper break in middle of summer months
Then the other extremes in winter
Not to mention toilet visits increasing etc

[tramssirhc]

We are still due 40 min break and it should be taken in whole and not at end of working day
Local agreements cannot override govmt requirements
Especially health
Imagine a 6 hour del span without proper break in middle of summer months
Then the other extremes in winter
Not to mention toilet visits increasing etc

It's nowt to do with local agreements. The law only covers a 20 minute unpaid break during the working time of over 6 hours. Any other arrangements are a contractual matter. In short, there is nothing illegal about a 20 minute paid break at the end of the working time.

[hewittinspain]

How does the 4 day fortnights work then under the trial pick?
Do you get more time to complete the duty on the week you are on 4 days as it will be longer days that week?
And secondly do we still get more Saturdays if we pick the 9 day fortnight's as it doesn't actually say how many we get?

[menditsa]

We are still due 40 min break and it should be taken in whole and not at end of working day
Local agreements cannot override govmt requirements
Especially health
Imagine a 6 hour del span without proper break in middle of summer months
Then the other extremes in winter
Not to mention toilet visits increasing etc

It's nowt to do with local agreements. The law only covers a 20 minute unpaid break during the working time of over 6 hours. Any other arrangements are a contractual matter. In short, there is nothing illegal about a 20 minute paid break at the end of the working time.

The WTD you are using is for workers who work on a business premises and that location only.
Going out in a van to me is classed as a remote worker which has separate timescales for rest breaks.
Also a lot of posties are now doing afternoon DPR routes as overtime which with the driving time accrued puts them under UK domestic driving regs which stipulates a max 11 hour duty limit. A lot at my place are averaging 13 hours which is illegal.

[tramssirhc]

We are still due 40 min break and it should be taken in whole and not at end of working day
Local agreements cannot override govmt requirements
Especially health
Imagine a 6 hour del span without proper break in middle of summer months
Then the other extremes in winter
Not to mention toilet visits increasing etc

It's nowt to do with local agreements. The law only covers a 20 minute unpaid break during the working time of over 6 hours. Any other arrangements are a contractual matter. In short, there is nothing illegal about a 20 minute paid break at the end of the working time.

The WTD you are using is for workers who work on a business premises and that location only.
Going out in a van to me is classed as a remote worker which has separate timescales for rest breaks.
Also a lot of posties are now doing afternoon DPR routes as overtime which with the driving time accrued puts them under UK domestic driving regs which stipulates a max 11 hour duty limit. A lot at my place are averaging 13 hours which is illegal.

If you a refering to peripatetic then no, there is a fixed place of work where the WTD can be applied. If you are refering to the EU/AETR then those regulations apply to drivers of vehicles over 3.5 tons. CDV drivers are not covered by that legislation.

[menditsa]

We are still due 40 min break and it should be taken in whole and not at end of working day
Local agreements cannot override govmt requirements
Especially health
Imagine a 6 hour del span without proper break in middle of summer months
Then the other extremes in winter
Not to mention toilet visits increasing etc

It's nowt to do with local agreements. The law only covers a 20 minute unpaid break during the working time of over 6 hours. Any other arrangements are a contractual matter. In short, there is nothing illegal about a 20 minute paid break at the end of the working time.

The WTD you are using is for workers who work on a business premises and that location only.
Going out in a van to me is classed as a remote worker which has separate timescales for rest breaks.
Also a lot of posties are now doing afternoon DPR routes as overtime which with the driving time accrued puts them under UK domestic driving regs which stipulates a max 11 hour duty limit. A lot at my place are averaging 13 hours which is illegal.

If you a refering to peripatetic then no, there is a fixed place of work where the WTD can be applied. If you are refering to the EU/AETR then those regulations apply to drivers of vehicles over 3.5 tons. CDV drivers are not covered by that legislation.

Never heard the term "peripatetic" so no I'm not referring to that at all.
I'm referring to the point that Royal Mail currently operates under British Domestic Drivers’ Hours Regulations for small vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes as per the Royal Mail drivers handbook.

Example Postperson on 30hr week contract:
Monday works their duty time of 08:00 - 14.30 (1.5 hours driving + 30 min unpaid break)
14.30 - 20:30 Delivering parcels only on OT (4 hours driving + no break taken)

The above is a real example at my DO and contravenes BDD as the duty time is 12 hours, 1 hour above what they are allowed to work.

On a side note a month ago management printed and left a notice on our frames regarding the wearing of seat belts stating we must wear them at all times as Royal Mail vans are not classed as goods vehicles and the exemption of driving a goods vehicle on deliveries that is travelling no more than 50 metres between stops does not apply to us.
That notice is 100% false as the van I drive is classed as Vehicle type approval N1 a Light Goods Vehicle

[SpacePhoenix]

On a side note a month ago management printed and left a notice on our frames regarding the wearing of seat belts stating we must wear them at all times as Royal Mail vans are not classed as goods vehicles and the exemption of driving a goods vehicle on deliveries that is travelling no more than 50 metres between stops does not apply to us.
That notice is 100% false as the van I drive is classed as Vehicle type approval N1 a Light Goods Vehicle

If the RM standard is to wear a seatbelt at ALL times then wear it. If you don't, RM will just conduct code you, don't know if they'd class it as gross misconduct.