What I meant by reading the room

[Martin Walsh]

Listen this is an agreement which needs explaining and seen in the round.

The choice for everyone in the ballot is :

1. Vote Yes and whilst the agreement is not perfect and is an agreement which has changed all of Royal Mail’s plans for the better.

2. Or vote no and we will go on strike again and Royal Mail will have to show to the market it has a business plan which it can implement to keep it a going concern. That means they need to introduce more change by executive action and cut more jobs.

If they don’t avoid going to the wall then we are in uncharted waters , any administrator will not be interested in pay , sick pay , revisions , flexibility, all it will do is try and keep uso going and that means thousands of job losses and cuts to terms and conditions.

Do you really think if we thought there was anything else we could get we would have not tried.

Lots who are angry about pay would be even more angry if the union gambled with your jobs and Royal Mail went in administration and you stopped getting regular pay etc.

We do believe this agreement is the best we can get in the current circumstances and It has protections throughout.

On sick pay it was Hobson’s choice Royal Mail were either imposing it by Executive action or we modified the change including stopping the company automatically issuing stage 1 and 2 absences and having the ability if sick levels drop to remove the SSP pay for absences after the 1st.

There will be lots of meetings to explain this deal over the next few weeks and then the members will design but go into either option with your eyes open.

[chickenwittle]

The hard sell has started, we can tell by your tone it’s a poor deal Martin and I’m not talking about pay , you’ve given in on sick pay and start and finish times , there’s also lots of vague stuff around flexibility etc. worst deal in my 30 odd years in the job for sure.

[nuisance]

Stop insulting us now. It's still **** NO

More strikes it is. The strikes we voted for, remember?!

[sixfoottwo]

So it begins...

[KennethBoon]

Post removed it was abusive.

[77SAMPOST77]

It is a terrible deal Martin and you know it ,

Why not be honest with us and admit the union have failed big time ,

Stop trying to frighten us about losing our jobs because they will not be worth having anyway ,

Dave Ward should do the decent thing and resign .

[11aaa222]

Listen this is an agreement which needs explaining and seen in the round.

The choice for everyone in the ballot is :

1. Vote Yes and whilst the agreement is not perfect and is an agreement which has changed all of Royal Mail’s plans for the better.

2. Or vote no and we will go on strike again and Royal Mail will have to show to the market it has a business plan which it can implement to keep it a going concern. That means they need to introduce more change by executive action and cut more jobs.

If they don’t avoid going to the wall then we are in uncharted waters , any administrator will not be interested in pay , sick pay , revisions , flexibility, all it will do is try and keep uso going and that means thousands of job losses and cuts to terms and conditions.

Do you really think if we thought there was anything else we could get we would have not tried.

Lots who are angry about pay would be even more angry if the union gambled with your jobs and Royal Mail went in administration and you stopped getting regular pay etc.

We do believe this agreement is the best we can get in the current circumstances and It has protections throughout.

On sick pay it was Hobson’s choice Royal Mail were either imposing it by Executive action or we modified the change including stopping the company automatically issuing stage 1 and 2 absences and having the ability if sick levels drop to remove the SSP pay for absences after the 1st.

There will be lots of meetings to explain this deal over the next few weeks and then the members will design but go into either option with your eyes open.

With all due respect MArtin walsh - and I do respect you as you do keep the membership informed and give decent rationale, but with all due respect:

""I’d rather smash it to bits than hand it over to them," TP

If we gonna go down we go down fighting!

And I cannot believe union (you have the costings) would rather protect the minority with legacy allowances than to appease the broader membership with some other form of benefit to our t&c's, these legacy allowances are gone and only serve to enrich the minority of the rapidly depleting membership population

[KilledOff]

"There will be lots of meetings to explain this deal over the next few weeks and then the members will design but go into either option with your eyes open."



We're going to have to re-ballot again!

[sixfoottwo]

We don't need lots of meetings to explain a s**\t sellout deal Martin.

[jagger]

Have you all thought of stepping down if this is the best you can do?

[FirstPost]

US posties have come too far to accept this shocking deal!! go and talk to Dave about how we..the MEMBERS feel, hopefully he grows a pair and gets us what we balleted for or resigns

[mags999]

I think a lot of us would take the risk and go on statuary redundancy there would be enough takers as its about the same as the crap vr deal meaning those who want to stay may have a better outlook in the future possibly gov owned as it has an obligation to the public no matter what people say can't be worse than these bunch of rsoles

[FirstPost]

Have you all thought of stepping down if this is the best you can do?

Too right, if this is the best they can do they need to step down, nowhere near good enough

[Acca Dacca]

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[chickenwittle]

Listen this is an agreement which needs explaining and seen in the round.

The choice for everyone in the ballot is :

1. Vote Yes and whilst the agreement is not perfect and is an agreement which has changed all of Royal Mail’s plans for the better.

2. Or vote no and we will go on strike again and Royal Mail will have to show to the market it has a business plan which it can implement to keep it a going concern. That means they need to introduce more change by executive action and cut more jobs.

If they don’t avoid going to the wall then we are in uncharted waters , any administrator will not be interested in pay , sick pay , revisions , flexibility, all it will do is try and keep uso going and that means thousands of job losses and cuts to terms and conditions.

Do you really think if we thought there was anything else we could get we would have not tried.

Lots who are angry about pay would be even more angry if the union gambled with your jobs and Royal Mail went in administration and you stopped getting regular pay etc.

We do believe this agreement is the best we can get in the current circumstances and It has protections throughout.

On sick pay it was Hobson’s choice Royal Mail were either imposing it by Executive action or we modified the change including stopping the company automatically issuing stage 1 and 2 absences and having the ability if sick levels drop to remove the SSP pay for absences after the 1st.

There will be lots of meetings to explain this deal over the next few weeks and then the members will design but go into either option with your eyes open.

Your an absolute bellend

No need for that , he’s come on to give his version of the deal , I don’t agree with his views but he doesn’t deserve abuse.