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Talks have ended - no agreement : Added RM's improved offer to 1st post

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Talks with CWU conclude without agreement

After 11 months of talks, including mediation by Sir Brendan Barber and Acas, we are deeply concerned that our talks with CWU have concluded without an agreement.

Where did we get to in the talks?

We thought we were making progress. The CWU seemed to understand the serious financial situation we are in.

They seemed to recognise that change is needed. We understood that agreement was within touching distance, and we were hopeful that the CWU would finally put a deal to its members.

We made substantial efforts to reach an agreement, including making a number of further improvements to our offer. These improvements were all based on feedback from the CWU.

As we continued talks late into last night, whilst we had made progress on a number of issues, the main sticking point was new contracts for new starters.

These contracts were introduced last year, and we had offered to level up over five years. The CWU did not accept this proposal.
The offer

Some of the improvements we made in the recent talks include:
Pay - We increased our pay offer, and extended the offer until April 2025. We offered two options to the CWU:
o Option A: 10% three year pay deal, plus £500
- 2% pay rise from April 2022 (already paid), 6% from April 2023 plus a lump sum of £500, 2% from April 2024
o Option B: 10% three year pay deal, plus £1,500
- 2% pay rise from April 2022 (already paid), 2% from April 2023 plus a lump sum of £1,500, 6% from April 2024
- Plus achieving pay parity for new starters over a five year period

Allowances – We said that all allowances would remain for existing employees
Profit share – We proposed a significant profit share arrangement for employees, so that we all benefit when we get Royal Mail back to profitability
Later start times – We amended our proposal so that start times in delivery offices would move 60 minutes – 90 minutes later (instead of our original proposal of up to three hours for everyone), with a last letter delivery time of 4.30pm. We also said that no start time changes would happen until March 2024, to give everyone time to adjust
An independent review of conduct cases led by a senior lawyer

These improvements are designed to reduce the impact on you, whilst ensuring the business can transform and survive. This builds on other improvements we have made earlier in the talks, including:

Job security - Commitment to no Compulsory Redundancy for the life of the agreement
Sunday working – Remains voluntary and we keep the Sunday Premium for existing employees

Where do we go from here?

In the end, the CWU were unable to agree to the change needed to ensure the future of this company.
There is nothing left to give.
We urge the CWU to agree the deal, and put it to a vote.
That is in the best interests of Royal Mail, our customers and all our employees.

Simon Thompson
Chief Executive Officer

Zareena Brown
Chief People Officer

Ricky McAulay
Operations Development Director



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hans solo
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Post by hans solo »

Pay offer shite
Get the strike dates up now CWU
No more f***ing about
2% already imposed .£500 lump sum and 6% for next year
That’s a massive pay cut in real terms
Forget about 2024 we will be carved up by then
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Post by 77SAMPOST77 »

Not good enough ,
minimum week long strikes required .
DO NOT DO 1 OR 2 DAY STRIKES THEY ARE POINTLESS .
DO NOT DO SATURDAY STRIKES THEY ARE ALSO POINTLESS .
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Got to put this to the members..what good is striking...ARE YOU MAD !!!! the business is on its knees ffs
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Post by ReturnToSenderrr »

Put it to a vote.
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Post by LouBarlow »

If this deal isn’t put to members I will not be striking in any future action. We have had long enough to indulge in talks. If this is as good as it gets put it to the vote. If it is and voted against then fair enough, I will continue to support the industrial action.
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Post by 77SAMPOST77 »

curleigh wrote:
05 Apr 2023, 10:58
Got to put this to the members..what good is striking...ARE YOU MAD !!!! the business is on its knees ffs
It is not on its knees its just badly run ,
A half decent CEO would have it back on track within months .
BAD MANAGEMENT NEEDS CULLING .
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LouBarlow wrote:
05 Apr 2023, 11:01
If this deal isn’t put to members I will not be striking in any future action. We have had long enough to indulge in talks. If this is as good as it gets put it to the vote. If it is and voted against then fair enough, I will continue to support the industrial action.
:Applause :Applause
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Post by Linden14 »

Put it to a vote I'd take the £1500 .
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Post by curleigh »

I admit the management are to blame for our predicament, but we are where we are..striking would be madness, and I for one will NOT strike if they don't put this to the members
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Post by CRIBMAD »

strikes / administration ? i wonder which will come first ? would not mind the £1500 lumps sum though as i am close to retirement ! but the £10000 redundancy could be very useful !
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Post by CRIBMAD »

it will not be put to the members as no deal was agreed !
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Post by cityfc2 »

Members are the union, if its the best that can be done then it must go to members to let them decide
Then it can go from there on next step to take
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Post by ReturnToSenderrr »

Have a vote to decide if it should be put to a vote 😂
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Post by CRIBMAD »

hope this is genuine ! where has it been plucked from ?