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LTB 027/23 - ROYAL MAIL GROUP: CHANGE DISPUTE - STRIKE ACTION - 24-HOURS FROM 12.30PM THURSDAY 16TH FEBRUARY: Att: CWU Proposal Att: RMG Counter Proposal
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LTB 027/23 - ROYAL MAIL GROUP: CHANGE DISPUTE - STRIKE ACTION - 24-HOURS FROM 12.30PM THURSDAY 16TH FEBRUARY: Att: CWU Proposal Att: RMG Counter Proposal
LTB 027/23 - ROYAL MAIL GROUP: CHANGE DISPUTE - STRIKE ACTION - 24-HOURS FROM 12.30PM THURSDAY 16TH FEBRUARY
2nd February 2023
Dear Colleagues
ROYAL MAIL GROUP: CHANGE DISPUTE – STRIKE ACTION – 24-HOURS FROM 12.30PM THURSDAY 16TH FEBRUARY
We have today served the legal notice on RMG under the current Change ballot for a 24-hour strike action as follows:
The strike will cover all duties and scheduled attendance commencing between the period at or after 12:30pm on Thursday 16th February 2023 and before 12:30pm on Friday 17th February 2023.
The Postal Executive has called this strike action as a consequence of RMG’s ongoing and planned Executive Action in local offices across the UK, whereby the company are implementing Revisions and unagreed change, whilst refusing to negotiate locally or apply the terms of the IR Framework.
This is in direct contravention to the unequivocal commitment given by the CEO Simon Thompson, in a letter to the Union of 6th January, stating “the IR Framework will apply in full”. At that point, the CEO’s commitment was instrumental in the Union not calling further strike action up until 20th January, to enable intensive talks to continue in a more constructive environment.
In a further attempt to avoid Executive Action, the CWU presented RMG with a proposal for re-engagement in Revisions at local level, which met the company’s timescales and included a fast-track process to resolve any disagreements over savings targets. This was rejected by the company in their counter proposal, copies of both documents are attached.
In making the decision to call further strike action under our existing Change ballot, we wish to make clear that the Postal Executive concluded that RMG’s actions to remove the right of negotiation at local level, has wider implications than the current Revisions and change activity and must now be viewed as a significant step towards de-recognising the Union and the voice of our members in the workplace.
We must also take into account that the scale and severity of RMG’s Executive Action is increasing on a weekly basis and goes well beyond even their own guidelines. This is about RMG deliberately accelerating their plans to change members’ attendance patterns and start & finish times in Delivery, in advance of their proposal for significant network changes later this year. In Processing units, Executive Action on unagreed structural Revisions will impose unacceptable widespread change to duties, attendance patterns and earnings packages.
Given the gravity of the situation, including the company’s refusal to discuss this matter further in Acas talks, the CWU has no alternative but to defend the principle of our Union having the right to negotiate on all aspects of change at local level. This principle has been fundamental to how we represent and support our members throughout the history of our Union.
We have made it clear to RMG in writing that to avoid this strike action the CEO needs to honour the commitment he made to apply the terms of the IR Framework in full, including applying this retrospectively to all units that have had change imposed upon them.
The Union’s position remains that we want to negotiate an agreement and the best way of achieving this is to re-establish the IR Framework agreement so that joint re-engagement can take place locally, rather than managerial Executive Action, whilst national negotiations continue. However, unfortunately what we are faced with is the company continuing to act in bad faith, displaying a total lack of integrity in their conduct.
Finally, Branches must convey the content of this LTB to all workplaces and encourage members to join our CWU Live session scheduled for 6pm tomorrow. This will give us an opportunity to provide a full update on recent talks, and the need to do everything possible to maximise the turnout and Yes vote in the re-ballot.
Yours sincerely
Dave Ward
General Secretary
Andy Furey
Acting Deputy General Secretary (Postal)
Davie Robertson
Assistant Secretary
Mark Baulch
Assistant Secretary
Carl Maden
Assistant Secretary
Clean links...
CWU-Proposal.pdf
RMG-Counter-Proposal.pdf
2nd February 2023
Dear Colleagues
ROYAL MAIL GROUP: CHANGE DISPUTE – STRIKE ACTION – 24-HOURS FROM 12.30PM THURSDAY 16TH FEBRUARY
We have today served the legal notice on RMG under the current Change ballot for a 24-hour strike action as follows:
The strike will cover all duties and scheduled attendance commencing between the period at or after 12:30pm on Thursday 16th February 2023 and before 12:30pm on Friday 17th February 2023.
The Postal Executive has called this strike action as a consequence of RMG’s ongoing and planned Executive Action in local offices across the UK, whereby the company are implementing Revisions and unagreed change, whilst refusing to negotiate locally or apply the terms of the IR Framework.
This is in direct contravention to the unequivocal commitment given by the CEO Simon Thompson, in a letter to the Union of 6th January, stating “the IR Framework will apply in full”. At that point, the CEO’s commitment was instrumental in the Union not calling further strike action up until 20th January, to enable intensive talks to continue in a more constructive environment.
In a further attempt to avoid Executive Action, the CWU presented RMG with a proposal for re-engagement in Revisions at local level, which met the company’s timescales and included a fast-track process to resolve any disagreements over savings targets. This was rejected by the company in their counter proposal, copies of both documents are attached.
In making the decision to call further strike action under our existing Change ballot, we wish to make clear that the Postal Executive concluded that RMG’s actions to remove the right of negotiation at local level, has wider implications than the current Revisions and change activity and must now be viewed as a significant step towards de-recognising the Union and the voice of our members in the workplace.
We must also take into account that the scale and severity of RMG’s Executive Action is increasing on a weekly basis and goes well beyond even their own guidelines. This is about RMG deliberately accelerating their plans to change members’ attendance patterns and start & finish times in Delivery, in advance of their proposal for significant network changes later this year. In Processing units, Executive Action on unagreed structural Revisions will impose unacceptable widespread change to duties, attendance patterns and earnings packages.
Given the gravity of the situation, including the company’s refusal to discuss this matter further in Acas talks, the CWU has no alternative but to defend the principle of our Union having the right to negotiate on all aspects of change at local level. This principle has been fundamental to how we represent and support our members throughout the history of our Union.
We have made it clear to RMG in writing that to avoid this strike action the CEO needs to honour the commitment he made to apply the terms of the IR Framework in full, including applying this retrospectively to all units that have had change imposed upon them.
The Union’s position remains that we want to negotiate an agreement and the best way of achieving this is to re-establish the IR Framework agreement so that joint re-engagement can take place locally, rather than managerial Executive Action, whilst national negotiations continue. However, unfortunately what we are faced with is the company continuing to act in bad faith, displaying a total lack of integrity in their conduct.
Finally, Branches must convey the content of this LTB to all workplaces and encourage members to join our CWU Live session scheduled for 6pm tomorrow. This will give us an opportunity to provide a full update on recent talks, and the need to do everything possible to maximise the turnout and Yes vote in the re-ballot.
Yours sincerely
Dave Ward
General Secretary
Andy Furey
Acting Deputy General Secretary (Postal)
Davie Robertson
Assistant Secretary
Mark Baulch
Assistant Secretary
Carl Maden
Assistant Secretary
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CWU-Proposal.pdf
RMG-Counter-Proposal.pdf
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It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
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The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
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The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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Re: LTB 027/23 - ROYAL MAIL GROUP: CHANGE DISPUTE - STRIKE ACTION - 24-HOURS FROM 12.30PM THURSDAY 16TH FEBRUARY: Att: CWU Proposal Att: RMG Counter Proposal
So they want CWU involvement why? Section 6 is a good one 
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Re: LTB 027/23 - ROYAL MAIL GROUP: CHANGE DISPUTE - STRIKE ACTION - 24-HOURS FROM 12.30PM THURSDAY 16TH FEBRUARY: Att: CWU Proposal Att: RMG Counter Proposal
Am I reading this incorrectly or are/were RM agreeing that any voluntary redundancys would be on MSTF terms rather than the inferior terms offered in November?
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
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Re: LTB 027/23 - ROYAL MAIL GROUP: CHANGE DISPUTE - STRIKE ACTION - 24-HOURS FROM 12.30PM THURSDAY 16TH FEBRUARY: Att: CWU Proposal Att: RMG Counter Proposal
RMG counter proposal is: "we will do what we want, when we want it".
Everyone should read and re-read point 4. No negotiation with the workers, no consultation, we're doing it whether you like it or not.
Everyone should read and re-read point 4. No negotiation with the workers, no consultation, we're doing it whether you like it or not.
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Re: LTB 027/23 - ROYAL MAIL GROUP: CHANGE DISPUTE - STRIKE ACTION - 24-HOURS FROM 12.30PM THURSDAY 16TH FEBRUARY: Att: CWU Proposal Att: RMG Counter Proposal
You're reading it incorrectly. VR will be offered on seniority basis (as per MTSF). But no terms specified. RM will decide how much you get.Acca Dacca wrote: ↑02 Feb 2023, 21:47Am I reading this incorrectly or are/were RM agreeing that any voluntary redundancys would be on MSTF terms rather than the inferior terms offered in November?
Probably statutory knowing these bastards, especially for people who applied for that wierd "6 grand" offer.
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Re: LTB 027/23 - ROYAL MAIL GROUP: CHANGE DISPUTE - STRIKE ACTION - 24-HOURS FROM 12.30PM THURSDAY 16TH FEBRUARY: Att: CWU Proposal Att: RMG Counter Proposal
So you want delivery staff to work from 12.31 on the friday 17th ? Just make this clearer for everyone thanks.
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Re: LTB 027/23 - ROYAL MAIL GROUP: CHANGE DISPUTE - STRIKE ACTION - 24-HOURS FROM 12.30PM THURSDAY 16TH FEBRUARY: Att: CWU Proposal Att: RMG Counter Proposal
If you're delivering Thursday you complete,if you're on delivery Friday you strike , if you want to. They haven't always worded it like that have they?ANDREW CROCOMBE wrote: ↑03 Feb 2023, 13:02So you want delivery staff to work from 12.31 on the friday 17th ? Just make this clearer for everyone thanks.
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Re: LTB 027/23 - ROYAL MAIL GROUP: CHANGE DISPUTE - STRIKE ACTION - 24-HOURS FROM 12.30PM THURSDAY 16TH FEBRUARY: Att: CWU Proposal Att: RMG Counter Proposal
So if you start after 12.30pm, you strike Thursday.
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Re: LTB 027/23 - ROYAL MAIL GROUP: CHANGE DISPUTE - STRIKE ACTION - 24-HOURS FROM 12.30PM THURSDAY 16TH FEBRUARY: Att: CWU Proposal Att: RMG Counter Proposal
It's effectively two days worth of disruption for the loss of one day's pay.
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Re: LTB 027/23 - ROYAL MAIL GROUP: CHANGE DISPUTE - STRIKE ACTION - 24-HOURS FROM 12.30PM THURSDAY 16TH FEBRUARY: Att: CWU Proposal Att: RMG Counter Proposal
DiD you not watch or listen to the brief dave and andy said it is not about delaying the mail but highlighting what they plan to do by executive action.
This is a dispute that no baglog will change minds but solidarity and getting the vote out will. After all 99% turnout with a 99% yes vote and we all act on that resolution who the f**k are they RM engaging with but the union and it is up to us all to engage with our union to shape the deal!
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Re: LTB 027/23 - ROYAL MAIL GROUP: CHANGE DISPUTE - STRIKE ACTION - 24-HOURS FROM 12.30PM THURSDAY 16TH FEBRUARY: Att: CWU Proposal Att: RMG Counter Proposal
No i did'nt but going by your post it was pretty much same old crap. we've had 18 days of strikes an no further on an executive action is still going ahead people being shafted left right an centre you only have to read on here whats going on.k979aaa wrote: ↑04 Feb 2023, 02:50DiD you not watch or listen to the brief dave and andy said it is not about delaying the mail but highlighting what they plan to do by executive action.
This is a dispute that no baglog will change minds but solidarity and getting the vote out will. After all 99% turnout with a 99% yes vote and we all act on that resolution who the f**k are they RM engaging with but the union and it is up to us all to engage with our union to shape the deal!
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Re: LTB 027/23 - ROYAL MAIL GROUP: CHANGE DISPUTE - STRIKE ACTION - 24-HOURS FROM 12.30PM THURSDAY 16TH FEBRUARY: Att: CWU Proposal Att: RMG Counter Proposal
Mail in our office was through the roof Friday & Saturday. The wagon circling the M25 must have ran out of fuel.
Watch mail volumes increase substantially these next few weeks.
More duties are getting carved in ours next week, this is after the fact the DOM told superiors that duties are unachievable without lapsing, let alone the couple of duties they have already carved, and now they want a few more gone. Out of a small office.
It’s nothing to do with aligning workload.
Then they have the audacity to ask us to fill out a “trust” survey, on top of these revisions & our wonderful CEO lying to MP’s recently.
You genuinely couldn’t make it up.
Vote Yes.
Watch mail volumes increase substantially these next few weeks.
More duties are getting carved in ours next week, this is after the fact the DOM told superiors that duties are unachievable without lapsing, let alone the couple of duties they have already carved, and now they want a few more gone. Out of a small office.
It’s nothing to do with aligning workload.
Then they have the audacity to ask us to fill out a “trust” survey, on top of these revisions & our wonderful CEO lying to MP’s recently.
You genuinely couldn’t make it up.
Vote Yes.