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49erman
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Later starts!!

Post by 49erman »

I really feel for the posties who pick their kids up from school! If later starts are forced through they have the option of getting another job or finding some sort of child cover (extra money during an economic crisis!), and having spoken to a few they are frightened for the future. This isn’t right and isn’t fair! The amount of stress and pressure bearing down on them (and no I’m not one of them) is intolerable and Simon Thompson needs to realise what he’s doing to HIS staff, although we know he doesn’t give a sh*t.
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Post by ted_e_bear »

Too right, there's after school clubs etc but obviously they cost money plus a lot of parents don't want to have to use them, it's been mentioned before plenty of times on here that one of the jobs attractions was being finished in time for the school run, there's a few at our place that are literally rushing as fast as they can on busy days to get finished in time and that's without the later starts.
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Post by CRIBMAD »

On a slightly different tack , if this company becomes a mainly parcel orientated business (and deliver parcels only on sat and sun) do you not think non-drivers will be targeted first for redundancy ? Just a thought.
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CRIBMAD wrote:
20 Oct 2022, 10:04
On a slightly different tack , if this company becomes a mainly parcel orientated business (and deliver parcels only on sat and sun) do you not think non-drivers will be targeted first for redundancy ? Just a thought.
Hopefully.
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Post by sindba »

Later starts would actually suit me, and loads of other posties.

It must be possible to have a mix. Early standard duties, and later hybrids doing parcels or collections.
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Post by qwerty2 »

yubin282 wrote:
20 Oct 2022, 10:25
CRIBMAD wrote:
20 Oct 2022, 10:04
On a slightly different tack , if this company becomes a mainly parcel orientated business (and deliver parcels only on sat and sun) do you not think non-drivers will be targeted first for redundancy ? Just a thought.
Hopefully.
Scumbag - get rid of idiots like you
mjd24
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Post by mjd24 »

ted_e_bear wrote:
20 Oct 2022, 09:44
Too right, there's after school clubs etc but obviously they cost money plus a lot of parents don't want to have to use them, it's been mentioned before plenty of times on here that one of the jobs attractions was being finished in time for the school run, there's a few at our place that are literally rushing as fast as they can on busy days to get finished in time and that's without the later starts.
What is their current finish time?!
49erman
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Post by 49erman »

sindba wrote:
20 Oct 2022, 10:39
Later starts would actually suit me, and loads of other posties.

It must be possible to have a mix. Early standard duties, and later hybrids doing parcels or collections.
You’d like to think they’d accommodate peoples wishes……but they won’t they don’t care….. :mad
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Post by CamPostie »

49erman wrote:
20 Oct 2022, 09:27
I really feel for the posties who pick their kids up from school! If later starts are forced through they have the option of getting another job or finding some sort of child cover (extra money during an economic crisis!), and having spoken to a few they are frightened for the future. This isn’t right and isn’t fair! The amount of stress and pressure bearing down on them (and no I’m not one of them) is intolerable and Simon Thompson needs to realise what he’s doing to HIS staff, although we know he doesn’t give a sh*t.
ST may have inadvertently torpedoed this proposal through the redundancy announcement.

It was questionable whether this was reasonably achievable with our current understaffed workforce level, especially when you add in other desires like flexible working etc.

But you take off 10,000 from the front line and have later starts, you just don’t have the overtime available to make up the shortfall in critical max capacity (i.e. having sufficient immediate resources to cover infrequent peaks in demand/staff absence etc).

Managers throughout the business will know this and I suspect this is the first proposal that will go, because it just doesn’t make sense to change a whole operation in order to accommodate under 1% of parcel volume.
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Post by SpacePhoenix »

49erman wrote:
20 Oct 2022, 11:36
sindba wrote:
20 Oct 2022, 10:39
Later starts would actually suit me, and loads of other posties.

It must be possible to have a mix. Early standard duties, and later hybrids doing parcels or collections.
You’d like to think they’d accommodate peoples wishes……but they won’t they don’t care….. :mad
It'll be down to any changes in arrival patterns into inward MCs. If the work arrives at the inward MC later then it'll be processed 2hrs later, go out to the DOs 2hrs later (probably all dispatch times would be put back by 2hrs later) so then the DOs would start 2hrs later.

We've already seen a change in arrival patterns that I think will result in later dispatch times before long. Where the RDCs used to send two runs part full, they've axed the earlier runs and send both runs worth on a later lorry. For example if both the early and late runs were half a double stackers worth, now it'll all come in on what was the late run, a whole double stackers worth
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Post by jbo5066 »

yubin282 wrote:
20 Oct 2022, 10:25
CRIBMAD wrote:
20 Oct 2022, 10:04
On a slightly different tack , if this company becomes a mainly parcel orientated business (and deliver parcels only on sat and sun) do you not think non-drivers will be targeted first for redundancy ? Just a thought.
Hopefully.
Which part of we delivered 8bn letters up to march this year don't people understand!! They are not just going to go away!! Why do people in RM, and it seems to more the workforce than management, have a bee in their bonnet about non-drivers?
jbo5066
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Post by jbo5066 »

First criteria for redunancies, if there are any, is last in, first out ...If there are any forced ones, which I very much doubt!
yellowbelly
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Post by yellowbelly »

jbo5066 wrote:
20 Oct 2022, 12:13
First criteria for redunancies, if there are any, is last in, first out ...If there are any forced ones, which I very much doubt!
Source for last in/first out please?
Foxel
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Post by Foxel »

jbo5066 wrote:
20 Oct 2022, 12:13
First criteria for redunancies, if there are any, is last in, first out ...If there are any forced ones, which I very much doubt!
Doesn't sound legal and from experience doesn't work like that. But who knows there are plenty of going on at RM which seem outside the norm.
I'm turning purple!
jbo5066
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Post by jbo5066 »

yellowbelly wrote:
20 Oct 2022, 12:15
jbo5066 wrote:
20 Oct 2022, 12:13
First criteria for redunancies, if there are any, is last in, first out ...If there are any forced ones, which I very much doubt!
Source for last in/first out please?
Government own website - postie posted it on workplace the other day ... But, has anyone considered that, besides natural wastage, the redunancies, if there are any, could come from splitting letters and parcels - if letters go 5 day week service, Thompson won't need reserves!