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Yumyum
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Martin can you confirm that the union has given notice for the remaining strike day's to December 2nd as the 2 weeks notice has ran out... I think most members just assume we are automatically on strike now until December,, plus we really need to ramp it up now to get this clown Thompson out. When can we expect I guess more rolling strike action through all of December and into January
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chickenwittle
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If we are having to strike beyond Xmas it’s game over , this is very much on the edge now , whether we like it or not if this isn’t resolved before Black Friday / cyber Monday , people will just drift back to work because they won’t be able to afford to continue.Yumyum wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 09:46Martin can you confirm that the union has given notice for the remaining strike day's to December 2nd as the 2 weeks notice has ran out... I think most members just assume we are automatically on strike now until December,, plus we really need to ramp it up now to get this clown Thompson out. When can we expect I guess more rolling strike action through all of December and into January
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Haditup
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Solidarity is key to success.
If we back down then it’s GIg economy for the Future,the signs are all there.
If we back down then it’s GIg economy for the Future,the signs are all there.
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Surreypostie
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I'll 2nd that, whenever we have a dispute, people say, strike at christmas, no point striking any other time. I have no idea how this will end but if it isn't over by christmas, well that is the time to really turn the screw, if it isn't over by then, it won't end well for us. I'm not a defeatist, I am a realist.chickenwittle wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 10:07That’s all well and good but my point still stands , if it’s not sorted by Xmas the dynamic changes big time.
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chickenwittle
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Completely true but others will shout you down for saying it , the union need to have an end game , they aren’t going to win on everything but time is running out the closer we get to Xmas .Surreypostie wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 10:14I'll 2nd that, whenever we have a dispute, people say, strike at christmas, no point striking any other time. I have no idea how this will end but if it isn't over by christmas, well that is the time to really turn the screw, if it isn't over by then, it won't end well for us. I'm not a defeatist, I am a realist.chickenwittle wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 10:07That’s all well and good but my point still stands , if it’s not sorted by Xmas the dynamic changes big time.
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Surreypostie
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The ones that will shout you down are the ones calling for more strikes upto christmas as they know full well it's true what I say.chickenwittle wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 10:18Completely true but others will shout you down for saying it , the union need to have an end game , they aren’t going to win on everything but time is running out the closer we get to Xmas .Surreypostie wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 10:14I'll 2nd that, whenever we have a dispute, people say, strike at christmas, no point striking any other time. I have no idea how this will end but if it isn't over by christmas, well that is the time to really turn the screw, if it isn't over by then, it won't end well for us. I'm not a defeatist, I am a realist.chickenwittle wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 10:07That’s all well and good but my point still stands , if it’s not sorted by Xmas the dynamic changes big time.
My own personal opinion and I hope to be proven wrong, All the time this CEO is in place we will not win. I am quite happy having a day off a week though as I can afford to so I won't be going across the line even though I am starting to think it is pointless.
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derricksmyth
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If we still have this CEO , there will be no business left!Surreypostie wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 10:21The ones that will shout you down are the ones calling for more strikes upto christmas as they know full well it's true what I say.chickenwittle wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 10:18Completely true but others will shout you down for saying it , the union need to have an end game , they aren’t going to win on everything but time is running out the closer we get to Xmas .Surreypostie wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 10:14I'll 2nd that, whenever we have a dispute, people say, strike at christmas, no point striking any other time. I have no idea how this will end but if it isn't over by christmas, well that is the time to really turn the screw, if it isn't over by then, it won't end well for us. I'm not a defeatist, I am a realist.chickenwittle wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 10:07That’s all well and good but my point still stands , if it’s not sorted by Xmas the dynamic changes big time.
My own personal opinion and I hope to be proven wrong, All the time this CEO is in place we will not win. I am quite happy having a day off a week though as I can afford to so I won't be going across the line even though I am starting to think it is pointless.
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Surreypostie
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Same result really unless the CWU would consider that a win for our dispute. A win is more money than they are offering and hopefully the end of some of their proposals. I reckon the union will spin a pay rise and full compliance as a win.derricksmyth wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 10:34If we still have this CEO , there will be no business left!Surreypostie wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 10:21The ones that will shout you down are the ones calling for more strikes upto christmas as they know full well it's true what I say.chickenwittle wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 10:18Completely true but others will shout you down for saying it , the union need to have an end game , they aren’t going to win on everything but time is running out the closer we get to Xmas .Surreypostie wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 10:14I'll 2nd that, whenever we have a dispute, people say, strike at christmas, no point striking any other time. I have no idea how this will end but if it isn't over by christmas, well that is the time to really turn the screw, if it isn't over by then, it won't end well for us. I'm not a defeatist, I am a realist.chickenwittle wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 10:07That’s all well and good but my point still stands , if it’s not sorted by Xmas the dynamic changes big time.
My own personal opinion and I hope to be proven wrong, All the time this CEO is in place we will not win. I am quite happy having a day off a week though as I can afford to so I won't be going across the line even though I am starting to think it is pointless.
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Acca Dacca
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So has notice been served for the 2nd November action or not?
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
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delta-force
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We seem to have forgotten that Royal Mail is a private company. For private companies, it's all about making a profit. That’s the fact whether we like it or not. The moment the company starts incurring losses as Royal Mail just did. It has just announced a loss of £219 million compared to a profit of 235 million in 2021. It expects further losses of over 100 million if the union goes ahead with the strike until December. I am afraid that will be the end for Royal Mail. In this scenario, nothing will be off the table. Royal Mail will use all arsenal at its disposal. There will be no more negotiation with the union. The separation of GLS will go ahead, which is the crown jewel for the company. It alone is estimated to value at 3 billion leaving the loss-making Royal Mail to collapse. This may have little or no effect on the shareholders as they will have a stake in the profitable GLS, but the implication for the workforce will be unbearable given the current situation. Just look at the situation before and after the strike. We have lost three days of wages through strikes. Likewise, the strike has given the Royal Mail opportunity to rip up the “Agenda for Growth, Stability and Long-term Success”, and the loss of 6000 full-time jobs. If there's no agreement soon. It's going to get worse. The biggest problem for Royal Mail is the USO and the snail-paced of modernisation. Unless the current status quo is changed and the union and the Royal Mail management reach an agreement, its future looks bleak.
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chickenwittle
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Royal Mail didn’t need the strikes as ammunition, they already had their own agenda as to how they wanted this to go .delta-force wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 13:22We seem to have forgotten that Royal Mail is a private company. For private companies, it's all about making a profit. That’s the fact whether we like it or not. The moment the company starts incurring losses as Royal Mail just did. It has just announced a loss of £219 million compared to a profit of 235 million in 2021. It expects further losses of over 100 million if the union goes ahead with the strike until December. I am afraid that will be the end for Royal Mail. In this scenario, nothing will be off the table. Royal Mail will use all arsenal at its disposal. There will be no more negotiation with the union. The separation of GLS will go ahead, which is the crown jewel for the company. It alone is estimated to value at 3 billion leaving the loss-making Royal Mail to collapse. This may have little or no effect on the shareholders as they will have a stake in the profitable GLS, but the implication for the workforce will be unbearable given the current situation. Just look at the situation before and after the strike. We have lost three days of wages through strikes. Likewise, the strike has given the Royal Mail opportunity to rip up the “Agenda for Growth, Stability and Long-term Success”, and the loss of 6000 full-time jobs. If there's no agreement soon. It's going to get worse. The biggest problem for Royal Mail is the USO and the snail-paced of modernisation. Unless the current status quo is changed and the union and the Royal Mail management reach an agreement, its future looks bleak.
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Martin Walsh
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The law requires the CWU to breakdown the number of members per workplace and the grades which take action. We have 1847 workplaces , 142 different grades and 115 thousand members.
The law states we only have to give Royal Mail 14 days notice for strike action. So today we will serve notice on the first of 5 sets of functional action on 2nd ,3rd and 4th of November action.
We will serve notice on the remaining action 2 weeks before that action in line with the law. It has been agreed by the Postal Executive so can only be stood down if the Postal Executive vote for that.
In terms of action past the 3rd December, we still have that in our locker. The decision is do we fire all our bullets now or do we wait until early November. Remember once you announce it then that’s it and clearly You have nothing further as leverage. It is a judgement call.
The law states we only have to give Royal Mail 14 days notice for strike action. So today we will serve notice on the first of 5 sets of functional action on 2nd ,3rd and 4th of November action.
We will serve notice on the remaining action 2 weeks before that action in line with the law. It has been agreed by the Postal Executive so can only be stood down if the Postal Executive vote for that.
In terms of action past the 3rd December, we still have that in our locker. The decision is do we fire all our bullets now or do we wait until early November. Remember once you announce it then that’s it and clearly You have nothing further as leverage. It is a judgement call.
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BigSacks
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delta-force wrote: ↑19 Oct 2022, 13:22We seem to have forgotten that Royal Mail is a private company. For private companies, it's all about making a profit. That’s the fact whether we like it or not. The moment the company starts incurring losses as Royal Mail just did. It has just announced a loss of £219 million compared to a profit of 235 million in 2021. It expects further losses of over 100 million if the union goes ahead with the strike until December. I am afraid that will be the end for Royal Mail. In this scenario, nothing will be off the table. Royal Mail will use all arsenal at its disposal. There will be no more negotiation with the union. The separation of GLS will go ahead, which is the crown jewel for the company. It alone is estimated to value at 3 billion leaving the loss-making Royal Mail to collapse. This may have little or no effect on the shareholders as they will have a stake in the profitable GLS, but the implication for the workforce will be unbearable given the current situation. Just look at the situation before and after the strike. We have lost three days of wages through strikes. Likewise, the strike has given the Royal Mail opportunity to rip up the “Agenda for Growth, Stability and Long-term Success”, and the loss of 6000 full-time jobs. If there's no agreement soon. It's going to get worse. The biggest problem for Royal Mail is the USO and the snail-paced of modernisation. Unless the current status quo is changed and the union and the Royal Mail management reach an agreement, its future looks bleak.
We’ve forgotten it’s a private company?
The only thing that’s been forgotten is by RM-that they committed to a 6 day USO as part of privatisation in the first place. Private companies allowed to tell lies as long as they can make profit out of it?
You may have also forgotten RMs investment in postal services worldwide years ago.
No Crown Jewels to be had there-just bad investments and losses.
Now, who do you think had to carry the burden of those financial losses?. Answers on a postcard please-clue: it was not senior management, shareholders or anyone who earned more than £12 an hour.
Yet now we have a profit making out of the business it’s to be held over our heads and we’re told “no cross subsidising?” What utter hypocrisy. But consistent I’ll give them that. “Socialise losses, privatise profits”
And finally, what else has been forgotten?
That we were told we didn’t qualify for furlough as we were key workers.
That we were needed and that the company was heading for multi-million pound losses.
So get out there. Risk yourselves, your families lives. Touching hundreds of things every day and worry that you’ll head home and put one of your family in hospital or worse.
Now it’s over?
10000 of you are out of a job shortly, lads. Business innit?
Royal Mail are finding out that postmen and women have very long memories mate.
They’ll find out shortly that if we need to go down with it then, in a buoyant labour market, it’s something we may very well be willing to do.
Good luck with their GLS dividends. The rat bastards.
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bowie
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Stand strong guys,this is a fight till the end now 















