Alternative plan

[ReturnToSenderrr]

Dave Ward talks about the unions alternative plan to Royal Mails. Does anyone know what it is?

[qwerty2]

You're a manager s**t stirring aren't you?

[smok3y666]

You're a manager s**t stirring aren't you?

I'll bite. Let's say he's not a manager and genuinely wants to know. With a reply like it sounds like you know what the CWUs alternative plan is so please explain.

[k979aaa]

All we want is a pay rise inline with inflation without strings it is that simple.

[ReturnToSenderrr]

Not a manager, genuinely want to know. The Union accept Royal Mail needs to change. What changes are the union proposing?

[Schiff]

Whatever any CWU plan for the business may be, we know that this CEO will pay it absolutely no heed. In fact, he will probably very specifically refuse to accept and implement any part of it as it would involve him losing face.

Let's concentrate on the CEO's plan - why it is completely unacceptable to most of the employyees of the business and hence why we must continue, and win, this fight.

[k979aaa]

We don't need a plan or change just a pay rise will do we don't even need thank you just give us our cut like everybody else has had in this company!

[timbo1234]

The CEO has one item in his plan. Destroy the CWU. He will then leave with a golden handshake and leave RM management to impose any changes they want with no organised opposition. Anyone then working in RM will no choice but accept everything - wage freeze, wage reduction, increased hours the list goes on and on. The choice is simple - WE STAND AND FIGHT NOW OR CAPITULATE AND FOREVER HOLD OUR TONGUE.

[ReturnToSenderrr]

I'm not toeing the company line, I just would like to hear the Unions proposals. Dave has said on a number of occasions he has alternative plans. Surely we as Union members should be able to at least discuss them?

[k979aaa]

He has a plan for growing the business but RM don't want it just like pay without change but we don't accept that stance we grew this business through lockdown and turned a massive profit. No one at the time new how deadly the virus was but most of us had to work putting not just ourselves at risk but our families this change of attitude by the CEO of this business is very stark to how it was 18 months ago. We were the lifeline of the nation and now we are the problem the very fact is the CEO is just taking us all for a ride for his own profit and ego this is sad but the only way is to continue the action because of the actions of the CEO in recent times!

[einastronaut]

I'm not toeing the company line, I just would like to hear the Unions proposals. Dave has said on a number of occasions he has alternative plans. Surely we as Union members should be able to at least discuss them?

I have been asking this same question here for 3 weeks. My conclusion is that there doesn't seem to be a plan. It's just hollow waffle and buzzwords. Members here just want to rant and rave about CEOs and bonuses; not the realistic outcome of negotiations and the future direction of the company.

What's frustrating is that this is the only plan the Union seems willing to discuss. It keeps reiterating that it has no interest in negotiating with the company over its plan, but only wants to present the Union's "alternative business plan" in negotiations. This then guarantees that talks will go nowhere. Why are the company going to sign off on a plan that has no plan - clearly with no economic viability whatsoever - and then give us a pay rise to boot?

The Union has more or less exhausted my patience with this. They seem only interested in prolonging this dispute for as long as possible, teasing its members along with nothing more than combative rhetoric and phantom "plans". Two weeks ago Dave Ward promised to share the following week (last week) what this "alternative vision" was. What did we get? The same insufferable waffle about "expanding the USO" with "innovative new products" that offer "social value"... And they are?

I wanted realism and hard bargaining from the Union, not fantasy role playing. They didn't ballot for whatever this is.

I can no longer participate in striking for a cause I'm not even sure exists.

[midegarelu]

I'm not toeing the company line, I just would like to hear the Unions proposals. Dave has said on a number of occasions he has alternative plans. Surely we as Union members should be able to at least discuss them?

I have been asking this same question here for 3 weeks. My conclusion is that there doesn't seem to be a plan. It's just hollow waffle and buzzwords. Members here just want to rant and rave about CEOs and bonuses; not the realistic outcome of negotiations and the future direction of the company.

What's frustrating is that this is the only plan the Union seems willing to discuss. It keeps reiterating that it has no interest in negotiating with the company over its plan, but only wants to present the Union's "alternative business plan" in negotiations. This then guarantees that talks will go nowhere. Why are the company going to sign off on a plan that has no plan - clearly with no economic viability whatsoever - and then give us a pay rise to boot?

The Union has more or less exhausted my patience with this. They seem only interested in prolonging this dispute for as long as possible, teasing its members along with nothing more than combative rhetoric and phantom "plans". Two weeks ago Dave Ward promised to share the following week (last week) what this "alternative vision" was. What did we get? The same insufferable waffle about "expanding the USO" with "innovative new products" that offer "social value"... And they are?

I wanted realism and hard bargaining from the Union, not fantasy role playing. They didn't ballot for whatever this is.

I can no longer participate in striking for a cause I'm not even sure exists.

[k979aaa]

It is not the union who need a plan we need a pay rise but we can and should talk about this imposition is just wrong and telling people we all face redundancies is wrong as well as ripping up agreements is wrong.

[TopperGas]

Whatever any CWU plan for the business may be, we know that this CEO will pay it absolutely no heed. In fact, he will probably very specifically refuse to accept and implement any part of it as it would involve him losing face.

Let's concentrate on the CEO's plan - why it is completely unacceptable to most of the employyees of the business and hence why we must continue, and win, this fight.

It's totally pointless the CWU wasting their time giving their plan, they need to concentrate on explaining to Simon when his plan is unworkable.

[Caesar]

I can no longer participate in striking for a cause I'm not even sure exists.

This is also my main issue.