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Confusion on Workplace-the darlings are not sure whether to strike or not.
Some are paying 2 subs.
One luv thinks that there should be a special union for them-interesting who said it... I believe as trainees we should have our own (union) because we are constantly left in no man’s land with no real clarity from either side
#We have the right amount of Sausages-Chips-And-Beans-just not on the right-lines
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been. My BFF Clash The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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So are we getting this payment ? so wrong if we don't how wrong is that ! I've been doing managers job for the last 15 years been a sub,deputy,now trainee, doing the same work as all other managers ..
we should get the same as the com's etc. we're invariably doing the same job as them day in day out. Today i'm covering 3 d.o's!!
#We have the right amount of...
QIn the groupHave any trainees been promoted for the strikes?
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been. My BFF Clash The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
She was a trainee manager who really wanted the job permanent so didn’t want to go on strike and scupper that.
But, she was really well liked by the posties and wanted to retain that for when she was the gaffer. And the main union rep dude really like her.
So she went into work, and donated her days pay to the hardship fund. The union rep made sure it happened and when she got to the picket line, they made space and waved her through!
I don't know if it is still the case, but up to 10 years ago when I worked for RM, acting managers were supposed to be made up to permanent if they were acting for more than 6 months continuously.
One acting manager who hadn't been made up after 6 months threatened to take legal action against RM with the support of the CMA, and was made up.
But the downside of being a manager is that they can't go back to OPG if there are cuts in management jobs if there are ongoing redundancies in OPG duties in the office. That manager was deemed to be surplus to requirement a few months later and 'offered' VR. She wanted to revert to OPG but couldn't because of OPG job cuts, and did get a transfer to a DO. I don't think she could have handled a delivery job, and wonder what happened to her.
Some managers have been 'acting' for years, but I don't know if they want to be made up and risk being made redundant in any round of manager cuts.
On strike day I spotted two of our managers in a van coming the other way, so I doubled back & followed them, they pulled into a drive thru Costa Coffee
Ultimately us Trainees need a voice, we can't run to the CWU as we're not regarded as full time posties and we don't get the support we need from the CMA because we're not substantive. It really baffles me as we're supposed to be important to the company moving forward yet no one represents us at a higher level regarding every issue we encounter whether it be pay related etc.
No one seems to represent us at any level, we are in many cases the glue that repeatedly saves the company's skin and we're treated like something that has been stood in.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been. My BFF Clash The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been. My BFF Clash The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
No one seems to represent us at any level, we are in many cases the glue that repeatedly saves the company's skin and we're treated like something that has been stood in.
So, why do it, that is the question, step down. I feel sorry for the trainees but nobody made them do it.
They should be the responsibility of the CMA and they should
have a mechanism to support them even if temporarily.
They then should make the demands regarding making them up/substantive/issues with RM.
It’s unreasonable and daft to expect the CWU to handle these sort of problems.
Trainee manager of 52years I just want to make sure I’m right in what I hear…
COMs are getting a £1000 payout for the strikes
No Ops managers are getting £150 and a day off for the strikes
Occasional COSMs who step up occasionally to cover days off etc are getting 4 full weeks of substitution which works out at around £700ish they will benefit (although the rationalisation is that they will be performing the COSM role for the 4 weeks, but this still doesn’t change the fact they will financially benefit for the strikes)
and trainee managers, who have had full substitution for however many months / years… get absolutely nothing financially beneficial? somebody reassure me I’ve gotten this wrong as I’m really starting to feel a bit unappreciated!
Trainee manager of 25 years Simon Thompson are you able to give a view on this please. Many trainee managers have worked and continue to work tirelessly through the IA and we have so far received no recognition for this. Surely we should be recognised? Please can this be reviewed by your management team as us trainees have stuck by you all through these difficult times.
Trainee manager of 17.5 years Simon Thompson I understand what you are saying Simon, but at the moment there is a real crisis trying to retain trainees and recruit new ones. There is no incentive to become a trainee anymore with shocking terms and conditions. Were you aware that trainees have been paid less each week since Dftf came in despite assurances that we would be having a slight increase? I have flagged this up with Ricky and recently ran a poll which proves my point. It’s these things that a review won’t deal with because it doesn’t have that information. No one has spoken to any trainee apart from myself about how things have been and certainly not the CMA. Every time a question is asked it gets deflected away. A review isn’t going to fix that. Talking to the actual trainees might stand a chance
I’ve been having some discussions with Gail Nimmo over the trainees issues that are mounting up and we were thinking of a meeting at some point. It would be good to discuss things with perhaps yourself,
Zareena Brown, Gail, myself and maybe one other trainee to address all the disparity that there currently is. What do you think?
Trainee manager of 15 years As Trainee manager of 18 years said the question was asked and Simons response to the trainee managers was to think of the customers that we are keeping by working strike days. That was it. That was the pat on the back for trainee managers who work on strike days. No promise to look at any benefits for doing the work of a higher grade. I have not worked strike days and will not as long as my contract is that of an OPG. So even though this statement from Simon does not directly affect me, it made me feel unappreciated in general.
Trainee manager of 52 years Trainee manager of 17.5 years, I agree with this totally, we are so underrepresented, I am actually a member of both the CWU and the CMA and struggle to get help from either as in their eyes it’s the other unions issue… every single time! I have raised my concerns with OPLs and RODs and it seems that each time they are just placating us with maybes and hopefullys and yet we dutifully stand by the business, working our behinds off, and now it feels that our work is “debatable” !? honestly, maybe it was a bad choice of words, but I feel even more deflated after the words of our CEO
#We have the right amount of years-just not in the right-job.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been. My BFF Clash The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
Can someone enlighten me - why are they still 'Trainee Managers' after that many years doing the job?
Surely you could become a 'proper' manager after about two/three years? If you've not passed by then........
Can someone enlighten me - why are they still 'Trainee Managers' after that many years doing the job?
Surely you could become a 'proper' manager after about two/three years? If you've not passed by then........
You could train to be a Doctor quicker than being an RM manager.
somebody reassure me I’ve gotten this wrong as I’m really starting to feel a bit unappreciated!