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LTB 281/22 - Royal Mail Group Change Demands Update

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LTB 281/22 - Royal Mail Group Change Demands Update

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Read between the lines, more exective action next month on the changes;

https://www.cwu.org/ltb/ltb-281-22-roya ... ds-update/

LTB 281/22 – Royal Mail Group Change Demands Update
No. 281/22

24th June 2022



Dear Colleague,

Royal Mail Group Change Demands Update

Further to LTB 268/22 that was circulated on 15th June 2022, Branches and Representatives will be aware of the far-reaching change demands that RMG continue to circulate.

Following an exchange of correspondence with Stuart MacDonald, HR Director for Industrial Relations, change only negotiations were held with the business earlier this week from Monday 20th – Wednesday 22nd June under the spirit and intent/protections of the Pathway to Change and our other agreements.

The opening of the talks this week were made even more difficult by RMG taking Executive Action on the separate issue of pay. The CWU negotiators opened the meeting by making it clear that there was no confidence or trust that management were genuine about the talks. Whilst they gave assurances that they were, it was stressed that they would have to work hard to convince the negotiating team.

We immediately sought their commitment to the key and core protections of the Pathway to Change Agreement. They responded by saying they were committed to the agreement but wanted to change those key/core protections regardless. Whilst they were willing to discuss options, their bottom line had to be met.

Given the previous actions of RMG and the lack of any real desire to move away from their change demands, the negotiators were not convinced that that they would not break from the talks and potentially take Executive Action.

Therefore, on 22nd June, the Postal Executive endorsed the instigation of a further national DRP in line with Paragraph 3.2, Schedule 3 of the Legally Binding Agreement Agenda for Growth (as amended), on the business breaking and failing to adhere to the spirit and intent of the Pathway to Change Agreement in respect of the following; Mutually beneficial change, Universal Service Obligation, yearly flexi hours/flexi time bank and the use of technology to support it, two tier workforce, RMG policies/agreements, RMG wide terms and conditions, shorter working week flightpath, Sunday working, RMG productivity, maximising the potential of letters, significant changes to current dispatch, arrivals and out on delivery times for the joint delivery of letters and packets/parcels, pipeline/network changes with significant effect on duty structures and changes to the defined resourcing mix across Royal Mail Group including Parcelforce and Fleet. Failure to honour the existing agreements relating to the use of third party contractors in Parcelforce.

To be crystal clear, both RMG and the CWU have agreed that we are now in dispute over the Pathway to Change Agreement. As a consequence, and whilst we enter those talks to reach an agreement, we have to prepare for another ballot regarding the above to protect our members’ interests if the talks fail and RMG take Executive Action.

A ballot regarding the above is totally separate from the pay dispute and opens on Tuesday 28th June 2022.

This will allow for a further four weeks of negotiation with the ability to extend that period if progress is being made. It also allows us to commence a second ballot for industrial action in respect of their change demands and to protect us from Executive Action on change and enable an agreement to be secured, which protects our current and future members and this excellent public service in line with our agreements.

These DRP talks are set to start week commencing 27th June 2022 and ahead of the negotiations, Royal Mail Group have also provided confirmation of the following principles under which we will enter into the DRP.
  • Both parties agree that we are adjourning current talks in favour of focussing on the DRP on P2C.
    For clarity neither party is walking away from talks and remain fully committed to seeking resolution.
    During the 1-month process the CWU agree to taking no form of Industrial Action, whilst RMG understand we will be issuing a second IA ballot on Change during the 1-month process.
    RMG agree to not taking any Executive Action during the 1-month period.
    Both parties will ensure that the appropriate decision makers are engaged in the talks.
    As with any discussions that form negotiations, nothing is agreed until it is all agreed.
    I have also responded to state that the CWU agree with the principles above and also to confirm that the CWU will not call on its members to take strike action or industrial action short of a strike in relation to this P2C dispute, consistent with our Joint Commitment to the Procedures.
The negotiations and agenda will broadly follow the pattern from the agenda of the CWU Policy Document that was finalised following the recent Policy Forum in Liverpool on 30th and 31st March 2022.

The exception is that the separate issue of pay as an agenda item discussed at the Policy Forum will be replaced by the shorter working week because pay is clearly now a separate dispute.

It has also been agreed that there will be a balance of priority items from each side as the talks progress, i.e. we are not just there to discuss RMG’s proposals.

It should be remembered that Royal Mail Group are still intent on pursuing the change demands that they continue to highlight so the talks are likely to be extremely difficult. Branches and representatives will however note that we will now commence our planning for a second ballot on defending the Pathway to Change Agreement in line with the appropriate legal advice. This will involve the development of a detailed communications strategy in consultation with Chris Webb on this unique situation and in order to deliver the maximum possible ‘Yes’ vote.

Royal Mail Group continue to publicise their change demands, so it remains important that gate meetings continue to be held to highlight why these demands are totally unacceptable. We want to build towards a second massive ‘Yes’ vote in this separate ballot and will be meeting with the SDGS Department in order to agree a timetable for this ballot.

It is essential that the contents of this LTB are brought to the attention of our members as soon as possible to confirm that when that ballot opens on 28th June members are only voting on the dispute of an inadequate pay offer from RMG.

Any enquiries in relation to the content of this LTB should be addressed to the DGS(P) Department.

Yours sincerely,



Terry Pullinger

Deputy General Secretary (Postal)
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Re: More executive action in coming

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Yep most likely a few weeks of going through the motions in negotiations with the CWU so they can claim they tried, then all the “changes they need” brought in without agreement. Purchase a head torch folks before they sell out winter is coming and we may all be posting in the dark.
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Re: More executive action in coming

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No, start applying for jobs with other companies, never mind strike action lets send them a message by all getting new jobs and leaving at the same time.
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Re: More executive action in coming

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2yearpostie wrote:
24 Jun 2022, 16:39
No, start applying for jobs with other companies, never mind strike action lets send them a message by all getting new jobs and leaving at the same time.
How about staying an fighting for your future. btw you dont have to strike if you dont want to if thats whats troubling you.
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Re: More executive action in coming

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toonshola wrote:
24 Jun 2022, 16:36
Yep most likely a few weeks of going through the motions in negotiations with the CWU so they can claim they tried, then all the “changes they need” brought in without agreement. Purchase a head torch folks before they sell out winter is coming and we may all be posting in the dark.
If im out any later than i was last year, the customers will be complaining. A few times when I was delivering past 10pm on rurals last year they were already moaning it was too late...
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Re: More executive action in coming

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Norfolk 'N' Chance wrote:
24 Jun 2022, 20:25
toonshola wrote:
24 Jun 2022, 16:36
Yep most likely a few weeks of going through the motions in negotiations with the CWU so they can claim they tried, then all the “changes they need” brought in without agreement. Purchase a head torch folks before they sell out winter is coming and we may all be posting in the dark.
If im out any later than i was last year, the customers will be complaining. A few times when I was delivering past 10pm on rurals last year they were already moaning it was too late...
Why would you even do that? You've got a finish time use it and let it be their problem sort out what you leave
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Re: More executive action in coming

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Norfolk 'N' Chance wrote:
24 Jun 2022, 20:25
toonshola wrote:
24 Jun 2022, 16:36
Yep most likely a few weeks of going through the motions in negotiations with the CWU so they can claim they tried, then all the “changes they need” brought in without agreement. Purchase a head torch folks before they sell out winter is coming and we may all be posting in the dark.
If im out any later than i was last year, the customers will be complaining. A few times when I was delivering past 10pm on rurals last year they were already moaning it was too late...
I'd be annoyed if my postie knocked on the door at that time of night, does anybody really the usual eBay/Amazon orders delivered that late at night,we're most likely creating a service nobody really wants, what's wrong with just leaving the parcel in a safeplace during the day?
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Re: More executive action in coming : LTB 281/22 - Royal Mail Group Change Demands Update

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10pm lol. Grow some
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Re: More executive action in coming : LTB 281/22 - Royal Mail Group Change Demands Update

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So what could this executive action be?
Sunday working, later starts, annualised hours? All of the aforementioned?
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Re: More executive action in coming

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2yearpostie wrote:
24 Jun 2022, 16:39
No, start applying for jobs with other companies, never mind strike action lets send them a message by all getting new jobs and leaving at the same time.
I’m sure that’s what they probably want especially the old hands
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Re: More executive action in coming : LTB 281/22 - Royal Mail Group Change Demands Update

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What i want to know is how they intend on organising these new work patterns with so many people being on different hours and shifts.

Will they scrap Waddingtons and the like and have everyone on the same rota?
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Re: LTB 281/22 - Royal Mail Group Change Demands Update

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I think even silly Simon and reckless Ricky realise that trying to implement any of this s**t by executive action will lead to chaos, mass failures, mass walkouts, a huge increase in sick absence not least amongst management and legal challenges through employment tribunals.


It's brinkmanship.
It's desperate.
And it's very foolish.
And it will likely end in heads rolling.
Only dead fish follow the current
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Re: LTB 281/22 - Royal Mail Group Change Demands Update

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Woody Guthrie wrote:
24 Jun 2022, 22:27
I think even silly Simon and reckless Ricky realise that trying to implement any of this s**t by executive action will lead to chaos, mass failures, mass walkouts, a huge increase in sick absence not least amongst management and legal challenges through employment tribunals.


It's brinkmanship.
It's desperate.
And it's very foolish.
And it will likely end in heads rolling.
Not if they bring in the SSP sick pay changes by EA at the same time they won't!
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Re: More executive action in coming : LTB 281/22 - Royal Mail Group Change Demands Update

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Chelseablue wrote:
24 Jun 2022, 21:05
10pm lol. Grow some
Sometimes fact is stranger than fiction my dear!
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Re: More executive action in coming : LTB 281/22 - Royal Mail Group Change Demands Update

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A2B wrote:
24 Jun 2022, 21:23
What i want to know is how they intend on organising these new work patterns with so many people being on different hours and shifts.

Will they scrap Waddingtons and the like and have everyone on the same rota?
if they are actually serious.... then it will be a complete balls up. Mass exodus of staff, struggle to get new staff, struggle to retain new staff. Struggle to manage it (no ideas on rotas it will be all up in the air). Have to get clock in and out systems. Have to deal with new people bringing back more post than usual as they couldn't see a flipping thing in the pitch black. Have to deal with more road traffic accidents (half of car accidents happen in rush hour). More slips and trips from people stacking it in the dark. Have to deal with paying people to be out in rush hour traffic.