[Re: Annualise Hours] Legally in the general PAYE employment market re: Overtime --

[Lewis123]

1) If my employer doesn't pay me for working overtime are they obliged to monitor my pay & hours worked and ensure they pay me the Minimum Wage? Is there is still a max number of hours I can be asked to work per week [If I hadn't 'opted out' by signing a waiver form, was it 48hrs?]?
2) If I 'regularly' work unpaid overtime am I entitled to have my basic contractual hours increased to reflect the hours I work, if so is there a rolling period over which the average is taken, e.g. 12 weeks?

This really a back-handed, open question about the legality of 'annualised hours' & the prospect of regularly working unpaid overtime for significant periods of the year

Nb I'm a Postie, not a manager, this is my 1st post on this site (I think, i registered yrs ago lol)

[pieoftheday]

If you Google annualised hours theres a decent explanation of them on Unites web site

[Lewis123]

Will do thanks

[portadown]

How would annualise hours work with people on tax credits and applying for a mortgage or car loan just asking

[Acca Dacca]

Full time contracts are given out based on seniority

The most senior part timer gets offered it first and worked down from there

Doing regular overtime as a part timer shows the need for a full time job

It just doesn’t mean the part timer who does the OT is the one who gets it

[Trumanity]

Full time contracts are given out based on seniority

The most senior part timer gets offered it first and worked down from there

Doing regular overtime as a part timer shows the need for a full time job

It just doesn’t mean the part timer who does the OT is the one who gets it

Not true i'm afraid....if your face fits you get FT. I had to wait over 8 years to get FT and have since discovered many people more junior to myself were made up before me. I did loads of OT in those days so I think I was more useful to the managers as PT.

[Acca Dacca]

Full time contracts are given out based on seniority

The most senior part timer gets offered it first and worked down from there

Doing regular overtime as a part timer shows the need for a full time job

It just doesn’t mean the part timer who does the OT is the one who gets it

Not true i'm afraid....if your face fits you get FT. I had to wait over 8 years to get FT and have since discovered many people more junior to myself were made up before me. I did loads of OT in those days so I think I was more useful to the managers as PT.

Not true

If it happened it shouldnt have and if you had went to the CWU it would have been sorted

Seniority it is

[Trumanity]

Full time contracts are given out based on seniority

The most senior part timer gets offered it first and worked down from there

Doing regular overtime as a part timer shows the need for a full time job

It just doesn’t mean the part timer who does the OT is the one who gets it

Not true i'm afraid....if your face fits you get FT. I had to wait over 8 years to get FT and have since discovered many people more junior to myself were made up before me. I did loads of OT in those days so I think I was more useful to the managers as PT.

Not true

If it happened it shouldnt have and if you had went to the CWU it would have been sorted

Seniority it is

It is true. There are over 100 staff in our unit. A DOM and 4 line managers then. You only find stuff out later down the road when you move about during revisions. CWU ineffective and absent. Smoke and mirrors. Took me 5 years to get permanent, 8 to get full time. I was the first in my unit to put in a grievance about holiday pay as a part timer. The CWU did bugger all about any of it. The accumulated employment tribunal cases forced the issue and I just got lucky in a recent revision. No seniority used correctly at all.

[Acca Dacca]

Full time contracts are given out based on seniority

The most senior part timer gets offered it first and worked down from there

Doing regular overtime as a part timer shows the need for a full time job

It just doesn’t mean the part timer who does the OT is the one who gets it

Not true i'm afraid....if your face fits you get FT. I had to wait over 8 years to get FT and have since discovered many people more junior to myself were made up before me. I did loads of OT in those days so I think I was more useful to the managers as PT.

Not true

If it happened it shouldnt have and if you had went to the CWU it would have been sorted

Seniority it is

It is true. There are over 100 staff in our unit. A DOM and 4 line managers then. You only find stuff out later down the road when you move about during revisions. CWU ineffective and absent. Smoke and mirrors. Took me 5 years to get permanent, 8 to get full time. I was the first in my unit to put in a grievance about holiday pay as a part timer. The CWU did bugger all about any of it. The accumulated employment tribunal cases forced the issue and I just got lucky in a recent revision. No seniority used correctly at all.

You said what I said wasnt true and what I said is the current agreement

Full time contracts to be given to the most senior to apply for it.

If you applied for it, and had more seniority, you should have got it and no argument from the DOM should have made it otherwise

[fb1969]

How would annualise hours work with people on tax credits and applying for a mortgage or car loan just asking

The company intend to pay you the same amount every week, annual salary divided by 52 weeks, so your basic income would always be the same.

[Lewis123]

I'm a 'layman'. I've spent today googling/ researching 'annualised hours' & the 'Working Time Directive.' I've also done 'back of an envelope' calculations comparing the future worst case scenario working for RM with jobs advertised online. My conclusion is I'd recommend everyone else does the same to decide if working for RM into the future is for you - don't 'sleep walk' into accepting changes to T&Cs without comparing new pay & conditions with other employers