I am sure that the original agreement says that the 24 mins for the autumn period goes before the start of the duty , it was in the Annex. Again I think Martín Walsh confirmed this in the podcast the other week .
My head always dizzy on a Sunday
That is why its omission from the joint statement on this page is odd, and it tallies with both what our management have said in WTL and what the other poster here claimed. At least in our office, our managers don’t know whether it will be at the beginning or the end or a similar arrangement to what was posted a few pages back.
Either way, it is far from clarified at this point.
I am sure that the original agreement says that the 24 mins for the autumn period goes before the start of the duty , it was in the Annex. Again I think Martín Walsh confirmed this in the podcast the other week .
My head always dizzy on a Sunday
Tony Bouch confirmed it as being in Section 6.1.1 in here.
Section 6.1.1 of Agreement – Weekly hours in Delivery now agreed at a maximum variation of 2 hours per week. Three agreed period across the year meaning summer period (14 weeks) working 35 hours, normal period (24 weeks) working contractual 37 hours and autumn period (14 weeks) working 39 hours. For full time employees that would mean 24 minutes per day. The agreement is also clear that in the autumn periods when working 39 hours that extra 24 mins per day time will be at the start of duties to protect the agreed finish times. In the summer periods when working 35 hours, 24 minutes less per day the time will be split between starting 14 minutes later and finishing 10 minutes earlier. Pilot activity will commence in 10 units nationally to enable all learning to be collated and ensure moving to National Deployment in week 24 this year will be via agreed guidelines.
Ours is the same it’s 14min at the beginning for full timers and 10min at the end for part timers and full timers
So part timers just 10min extra (at the end of the day) and full timers 24min extra split between starting 14min earlier and finishing 10min later
So why is your rep allowing your manager to break Royal Mail's own national standard rules?
It states clearly that this cannot be unit led and all offices must follow the guidelines set out in the agreement, that's not the union saying this it's Royal Mail.
HQ gets a lot of stick on here but if offices are going to roll over this easily what chance do any of us have?
I pointed it out to our rep how it says in capital letters that the added time has to be at the BEGINNING of our shift and our rep pointed out to our manager
So it got discussed in this mornings huddle and he has now conceded and confirmed this will be the case and used some bollocks excuse that he cut and pasted the hours onto the sheet which is why it was wrong
I think they were just trying it on and they’d of got away with it if you hadn’t pointed it out on this thread
So thanks for that
So to confirm we will not be finishing 10min later at peak time
Full timers will be starting 24min earlier and part timers are starting 10min earlier
We've been told that the 24 mins freebie starts beginning of September, signed off by our Area Rep. So that'll be longer we work for free than the summer 35 hour weeks. I'm off job hunting!
We've been told that the 24 mins freebie starts beginning of September, signed off by our Area Rep. So that'll be longer we work for free than the summer 35 hour weeks. I'm off job hunting!
High season is week 24-38
Low season is week 9-23
15 weeks each is it not so getting the time back or am i missing something .
We've been told that the 24 mins freebie starts beginning of September, signed off by our Area Rep. So that'll be longer we work for free than the summer 35 hour weeks. I'm off job hunting!
High season is week 24-38
Low season is week 9-23
15 weeks each is it not so getting the time back or am i missing something .
Our manager put up a sheet outlining dates of the "variations", week 23(think that's the first full week of Sept?) to 38 so 16 weeks, and low season being for only 14 weeks which the Area Rep signed. I'm sure other managers will try bluff these changes to benefit themselves.
We've been told that the 24 mins freebie starts beginning of September, signed off by our Area Rep. So that'll be longer we work for free than the summer 35 hour weeks. I'm off job hunting!
High season is week 24-38
Low season is week 9-23
15 weeks each is it not so getting the time back or am i missing something .
Our manager put up a sheet outlining dates of the "variations", week 23(think that's the first full week of Sept?) to 38 so 16 weeks, and low season being for only 14 weeks which the Area Rep signed. I'm sure other managers will try bluff these changes to benefit themselves.
I could be wrong but im sure woody posted a chart that had 4th September as week 24
We haven't been officially told yet but I'd put money on being told 14mins earlier start an 10 mins later finish
Then speak up and tell them it has to be at the beginning, not the end.
Oh definitely, probably be letting us know pretty soon
Even though it's not supposed to be, I think it's more likely to all be at the end.
How long do you have between when the wave 1 arrives and the current start times?
Wave 1 arrives.just as we start on half the week ,on a later start days it's already been unloaded, Saturday we start.30.mins earlier, sometimes it's arrived already and.sometimes we have to wait 10 to 15 mins
This is a very standardised approach which applies to all Royal Mail units not least because Royal Mail systems cannot cope with all units doing things differently.
For the record
In the peak period it is 24 minutes before your duty time. There is no agreement for any change to this. 10 minutes for part timers.
Both the peak period and the summer periods are 15 week periods so the maximum you will work is 30 hours more in the peak and the summer period you will work 30 hours less across those 15 weeks.
If managers on a local level, decide to ignore this, and add hours to the finish time, what is the best recourse? Just refusal to work later, or union involvement?
