10,000 jobs To go by august

[Mickeybrowneyes]

Royal Mail’s announcement today was a desperate attempt to try and scare people into not supporting the strikes.

Remember even if there was no strike and the company was honouring the pathway to change agreement there would still need to be voluntary redundancies on a similar scare in 2023..

Why ?

1.Productivity revisions
2 Processing realignments based on productivity
3. Removal of the Covid linked pillar boxes from collections
4.Network review
5. The impact from the Warrington hub and larger parcels.
6.That parcel traffic had returned to 2019 levels due to cost of living crisis and return to high street.

This is not even factoring in any potential change to the USO.


It was a deliberate ploy to intimidate individuals who had just been out on strike.

As someone who was in the talks in the summer it simply not true to say that Royal Mail was serious in resolving the issues.

However the 19 days of announced strikes have made them blink and there are now areas which are open for negotiation.

This weeks talks was about finding that out and next week will be about trying to negotiate. Long way to go but apart from the letter today , the talks were much more positive then during the summer.

As I said a long way to go.

This was obviously a strategic announcement to the media/markets as to get the upper hand in the dispute.

Although I thought Ofgem kept any USO changes off the table till at least 2026 so hopefully that is the case.

With the USO in place I think 10,000 redundancies is ambitious even without the oversized parcels in DOs.

[chrisj]

This was obviously a strategic announcement to the media/markets as to get the upper hand in the dispute.

Although I thought Ofgem kept any USO changes off the table till at least 2026 so hopefully that is the case.

With the USO in place I think 10,000 redundancies is ambitious even without the oversized parcels in DOs.

RM has to tell the markets because it is a profit warning; and usually they give reasons and try to come up with ways of calming their investors - reality of a PLC.

* The Union still does not get and continue to try to hide things from us:

One of our terms has already gone - Redundancy payments will be reduced!
* It might end up being very unattractive because RM was paying a lot lot more than the nearest minimum they have to pay.
** Also, the letter says that if the losses continue it might end of being compulsory redundancy.

With a inferior redundancy package and continued losses if we carry on striking into December, some of us will have to go whether we like it or not.

In the meantime, recruitment halted, overtime bans will be in place and we have to get used to RM trashing the service by delivering letters every other day - as we have been doing during the Pandemic and now strikes.

Basically, we are now working more - less wriggle room for finishing early and taking 2 or 3 days mail no extra or just being paid the amount over.

[SpacePhoenix]

1.Productivity revisions
2 Processing realignments based on productivity
3. Removal of the Covid linked pillar boxes from collections
4.Network review
5. The impact from the Warrington hub and larger parcels.
6.That parcel traffic had returned to 2019 levels due to cost of living crisis and return to high street.

Processing realignment can't really be done until the network review has been done and their changes implemented (my gut feeling is that it'll basically be 1hr+ later arrival times at inward MCs)

[Deadly]

Perhaps they are doing the same thing as when unions negotiate a pay rise, state a high number and then accept something lower. 10000 job losses announced but then after talks with the union this is dropped to 5000 with changes in working practices. The union look like heroes for saving jobs and Royal Mail board show their human side

[roman]

I can see Thompson going the other way and making thousands more redundant. He’s desperate now to save as much money as he can so he can walk away with a nice fat bonus.

[TopperGas]

I can see Thompson going the other way and making thousands more redundant. He’s desperate now to save as much money as he can so he can walk away with a nice fat bonus.

Thomson can't just make thousands more redundant just because he's not getting his own way, as who'll do all the work when they've gone as we already seem to be struggling in most DO's and we haven't got to the busy end of the year yet?

If it was Thomson plan to frighten staff and make them stop striking it seems to have massively back fired, he also seems to have overlooked that 1000's of staff would grab the chance of a redundancy payoff rather than just leave of their choice.

[rogersh]

I have copy & pasted these posts for reference to indicate the similarities of the current announcements.

“Royal Mail workers in the UK face jobs massacre
Post by TrueBlueTerrier » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:30 am

Royal Mail has announced that 2,000 managers will be made redundant shortly. The restructuring that was promised after the previous CEO Rico Back was sacked has now begun.

The cull in management is in anticipation of broader changes demanded by Royal Mail’s ruthless drive for profits that will lead to upwards of 20,000 postal jobs being lost. This was the estimate of the Communication Workers Union (CWU). However, given that Royal Mail is losing £1 million a day, the jobs carnage will likely be higher still.”



“Royal Mail losing 1m a day as pandemic postal boom subsides
Post by TrueBlueTerrier » Wed Jul 20, 2022 7:22 am

https://www.cityam.com/royal-mail-losin ... -subsides/

Royal Mail Group chiefs said its flagship postal service was haemorrhaging £1m a day today as revenues across the group slumped 5.1 per cent in the first quarter of the year as the pandemic postal boom subsides.”


Deja vu (substitute managers for deliveries & processing) & we are back to 2020. So even without industrial action (implication this is partly to blame) in 2022 RM were apparently losing One Million a day!!
How many managers jobs were culled?

[thedonkey]

I believe Thompson pulled the same trick when he was CEO at British Airways at the same time as pilots and cabin crew were on strike.

I am not sure the job losses or redundancies came very close to the figures he spouted. It just cost the company a lot of money and set them back years.

[TopperGas]

I believe Thompson pulled the same trick when he was CEO at British Airways at the same time as pilots and cabin crew were on strike.

I am not sure the job losses or redundancies came very close to the figures he spouted. It just cost the company a lot of money and set them back years.

I assume you meant Williams as Thompson as never previously worked for a unionised company.

[RobertT]

The maximum amount of statutory redundancy pay is £16,320 (£16,980 in Northern Ireland)

It's actually £17,130.

https://www.gov.uk/redundancy-your-righ ... ndancy-pay

[mags999]

crikey moses you would get more on ill health retirement

[RobertT]

But that is the maximum amount for statutory redundancy pay.

Many firms do offer more for voluntary redundancy, after all it's you that's choosing to give up your job.

[k979aaa]

But that is the maximum amount for statutory redundancy pay.

Many firms do offer more for voluntary redundancy, after all it's you that's choosing to give up your job.

They could start with last in first out without paying nothing but it would defeat their objective of a changed workforce and contract or they could just go with the agency route as they have already done since June/July at great cost!

[Navalron]

10,000 jobs to go oh and btw can you work your day off this week and do half a round on overtime?

Actually while I’ve got you here, afraid we can’t give you that day off you requested - short staffed you see

Exactly Acca Dacca, you can't make it up.

[thedonkey]

I believe Thompson pulled the same trick when he was CEO at British Airways at the same time as pilots and cabin crew were on strike.

I am not sure the job losses or redundancies came very close to the figures he spouted. It just cost the company a lot of money and set them back years.

I assume you meant Williams as Thompson as never previously worked for a unionised company.

I stand corrected. Thanks for the clarification.