why would anyone vote for a deal they don't like, i've never been able to figure it out
Because they don't like the alternative even more.
Does that help?
You don't know the alternative Woody, I don't. But I have never known a union so negative, what's happened? Oh just let's give up, what's the point, jeezus.....
It's not about knowing exactly what the alternative is.
It's about knowing what our options would be.
They are limited so it doesn't take long to run through each scenario to work out if it would result in a better outcome.
It doesn't.
The union hasn't given up, they've just run the scenarios and concluded that this is the best outcome for the members. That doesn't make it a good outcome, just the least awful.
Sorry old cock, you aren't my kind of union rep
You are lucky you have a union rep.
Most private companies have none.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Surely it's the other way around, the members are the hand
that feed rhe CWU?
And other companies not having union representation isn't my concern, employees are perfectly entitled to join or form a union
You know that is not true sadly.
Everyone has to join a union in reality to protect their own interests and not to run the risk of being blackballed by their fellow workers.
The title of this thread is actually misleading and dangerous in my considered opinion.
In the current economic climate, financial recession, interest rate and mortgage hikes, and with soaring inflation and the relentless pace and advance of AI taking jobs in Royal Mail and elsewhere, there is no credible or financial case for a no vote.
None whatsoever I am afraid.
These are changed days, gone forever are the times you could hold your employer to ransom with strikes and go slows.
why would anyone vote for a deal they don't like, i've never been able to figure it out
Because they don't like the alternative even more.
Does that help?
You don't know the alternative Woody, I don't. But I have never known a union so negative, what's happened? Oh just let's give up, what's the point, jeezus.....
It's not about knowing exactly what the alternative is.
It's about knowing what our options would be.
They are limited so it doesn't take long to run through each scenario to work out if it would result in a better outcome.
It doesn't.
The union hasn't given up, they've just run the scenarios and concluded that this is the best outcome for the members. That doesn't make it a good outcome, just the least awful.
Sorry old cock, you aren't my kind of union rep
You are lucky you have a union rep.
Most private companies have none.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Surely it's the other way around, the members are the hand
that feed rhe CWU?
And other companies not having union representation isn't my concern, employees are perfectly entitled to join or form a union
You know that is not true sadly.
Everyone has to join a union in reality to protect their own interests and not to run the risk of being blackballed by their fellow workers.
what isn't true? And sorry I don't get the next bit?
why would anyone vote for a deal they don't like, i've never been able to figure it out
Because they don't like the alternative even more.
Does that help?
You don't know the alternative Woody, I don't. But I have never known a union so negative, what's happened? Oh just let's give up, what's the point, jeezus.....
It's not about knowing exactly what the alternative is.
It's about knowing what our options would be.
They are limited so it doesn't take long to run through each scenario to work out if it would result in a better outcome.
It doesn't.
The union hasn't given up, they've just run the scenarios and concluded that this is the best outcome for the members. That doesn't make it a good outcome, just the least awful.
Sorry old cock, you aren't my kind of union rep
You are lucky you have a union rep.
Most private companies have none.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Surely it's the other way around, the members are the hand
that feed rhe CWU?
And other companies not having union representation isn't my concern, employees are perfectly entitled to join or form a union
You know that is not true sadly.
Everyone has to join a union in reality to protect their own interests and not to run the risk of being blackballed by their fellow workers.
what isn't true? And sorry I don't get the next bit?
jahbolan talking through is backside as usual , and whats with all the violin stuff do grow up .
why would anyone vote for a deal they don't like, i've never been able to figure it out
Because they don't like the alternative even more.
Does that help?
You don't know the alternative Woody, I don't. But I have never known a union so negative, what's happened? Oh just let's give up, what's the point, jeezus.....
It's not about knowing exactly what the alternative is.
It's about knowing what our options would be.
They are limited so it doesn't take long to run through each scenario to work out if it would result in a better outcome.
It doesn't.
The union hasn't given up, they've just run the scenarios and concluded that this is the best outcome for the members. That doesn't make it a good outcome, just the least awful.
Sorry old cock, you aren't my kind of union rep
You are lucky you have a union rep.
Most private companies have none.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Surely it's the other way around, the members are the hand
that feed rhe CWU?
And other companies not having union representation isn't my concern, employees are perfectly entitled to join or form a union
You know that is not true sadly.
Everyone has to join a union in reality to protect their own interests and not to run the risk of being blackballed by their fellow workers.
what isn't true? And sorry I don't get the next bit?
jahbolan talking through is backside as usual , and whats with all the violin stuff do grow up .
I take it you guys have heard of a closed shop before ?
You must belong to a union or you will be ostracised and blacklegged by your fellow workers.
Word soon gets out you know, there is a scab in our ranks.
why would anyone vote for a deal they don't like, i've never been able to figure it out
Because they don't like the alternative even more.
Does that help?
You don't know the alternative Woody, I don't. But I have never known a union so negative, what's happened? Oh just let's give up, what's the point, jeezus.....
It's not about knowing exactly what the alternative is.
It's about knowing what our options would be.
They are limited so it doesn't take long to run through each scenario to work out if it would result in a better outcome.
It doesn't.
The union hasn't given up, they've just run the scenarios and concluded that this is the best outcome for the members. That doesn't make it a good outcome, just the least awful.
Sorry old cock, you aren't my kind of union rep
You are lucky you have a union rep.
Most private companies have none.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Surely it's the other way around, the members are the hand
that feed rhe CWU?
And other companies not having union representation isn't my concern, employees are perfectly entitled to join or form a union
You know that is not true sadly.
Everyone has to join a union in reality to protect their own interests and not to run the risk of being blackballed by their fellow workers.
what isn't true? And sorry I don't get the next bit?
jahbolan talking through is backside as usual , and whats with all the violin stuff do grow up .
I take it you guys have heard of a closed shop before ?
You must belong to a union or you will be ostracised and blacklegged by your fellow workers.
Word soon gets out you know, there is a scab in our ranks.
When I walked past the picket line I was actually not bothered at all. Do people ostracise me? Don’t know, I don’t have anything to do with them.
But my mind about the union was made up years ago. When I first started they were a strong union. But as the years have progressed it has got weaker and weaker and most reps I see now are just in it for themselves, making sure they have a cushy walk and looking after their buddies.
This last year the CWU have reminded me of Saul Goodman. Empty words and looking after themselves but pretending they are looking out For the little guys. Problem is, they have been found out. The empty slogans have come home to roost and the members are divided. A lot are even talking about leaving the union.
It just doesn’t have the same influence anymore. Years of complacency have go to where we are at. This deal is crap (or a great victory if you are the CWU…) but in 2 years it’ll be crapper still.
I didn’t believe in what they were saying back then. I wasn’t willing to lose pay over empty noise.
Once we got shareholders and sold out it was game over. That’s what started all of this. There is no way back now. A NO vote will do nothing except make the deal forced through by RM.
why would anyone vote for a deal they don't like, i've never been able to figure it out
Because they don't like the alternative even more.
Does that help?
You don't know the alternative Woody, I don't. But I have never known a union so negative, what's happened? Oh just let's give up, what's the point, jeezus.....
It's not about knowing exactly what the alternative is.
It's about knowing what our options would be.
They are limited so it doesn't take long to run through each scenario to work out if it would result in a better outcome.
It doesn't.
The union hasn't given up, they've just run the scenarios and concluded that this is the best outcome for the members. That doesn't make it a good outcome, just the least awful.
Sorry old cock, you aren't my kind of union rep
You are lucky you have a union rep.
Most private companies have none.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Surely it's the other way around, the members are the hand
that feed rhe CWU?
And other companies not having union representation isn't my concern, employees are perfectly entitled to join or form a union
You know that is not true sadly.
Everyone has to join a union in reality to protect their own interests and not to run the risk of being blackballed by their fellow workers.
what isn't true? And sorry I don't get the next bit?
jahbolan talking through is backside as usual , and whats with all the violin stuff do grow up .
I take it you guys have heard of a closed shop before ?
You must belong to a union or you will be ostracised and blacklegged by your fellow workers.
Word soon gets out you know, there is a scab in our ranks.
Blackballed, blacklegged?????? There's no such thing as a closed shop anymore unless your watching an old American gangster film, dear lord
These threads get worse by the day at least a third if not more of my office aint in the union.They are treated just the same as anyone else and none of them attended work on strike days.
We all ( I think) really appreciate this website so we can put our point across, but.......please can you try and sort something out with the web servers about the multiple quote stuff .
