Facts not spin

[norris9]

mail isn't down at all. I actually think mail has gone up.

They have made rounds 25% bigger..... yet claim mail is down a couple of % at our office....

People at Royal Mail are not ver good at maths.....

If mail has actually gone down a couple of %, then making rounds 25% longer doesn't fit.

[2chorizon]

I agree with norris9 we either all finish at 2 30 or we all finish 4 30 no 2 tier office

Yes, get a job as a lolipop person or dinner lady if you want the world to revolve around you.

[ted_e_bear]

I agree with norris9 we either all finish at 2 30 or we all finish 4 30 no 2 tier office

Yes, get a job as a lolipop person or dinner lady if you want the world to revolve around you.

Nah just work the waltzer

[k979aaa]

I agree with norris9 we either all finish at 2 30 or we all finish 4 30 no 2 tier office

Yes, get a job as a lolipop person or dinner lady if you want the world to revolve around you.

Or become CEO

[timbo1234]

RM know that come whatever there will be people starting before their time, not taking breaks, running round and doing as much ot as they can. If that stopped it would be a game changer. Every activity in RM would have to be calculated properly. How all this agreement and it's associated changes pans out is in our hands.

[miles_peters]

RM know that come whatever there will be people starting before their time, not taking breaks, running round and doing as much ot as they can. If that stopped it would be a game changer. Every activity in RM would have to be calculated properly. How all this agreement and it's associated changes pans out is in our hands.

exactly that, in reality an 8am start will mean a 7am start for the people who rush about.

[Shadedpostie]

RM know that come whatever there will be people starting before their time, not taking breaks, running round and doing as much ot as they can. If that stopped it would be a game changer. Every activity in RM would have to be calculated properly. How all this agreement and it's associated changes pans out is in our hands.

Exactly this. Even with these changes in start times, I guarantee that you'll still have these people come in two hours earlier now to try to beat the system, further taking more hours out the office to go home early or ghosting overtime Still doing it now after everything the company has put us through and they are the ones bitching and moaning the loudest about the agreement.

[Acca Dacca]

RM know that come whatever there will be people starting before their time, not taking breaks, running round and doing as much ot as they can. If that stopped it would be a game changer. Every activity in RM would have to be calculated properly. How all this agreement and it's associated changes pans out is in our hands.

exactly that, in reality an 8am start will mean a 7am start for the people who rush about.

But the mail won’t be in the building

If it was in the building there would be no need for the later start

[clashcityrocker]

If it was in the building there would be no need for the later start

We currently have 2 people who have a 4.30am start because that is the time the first lorry arrives.
This isn't overtime, this is their start time.

Not everybody can start at 4.30 because there wouldn't be enough work for everyone to do until the next lorry arrives.

So under our current set up (which may well change) it would be possible to allow 2 people with carer issues to start early and finish early.
But that doesn't mean everybody could.

[miles_peters]

If it was in the building there would be no need for the later start

We currently have 2 people who have a 4.30am start because that is the time the first lorry arrives.
This isn't overtime, this is their start time.

Not everybody can start at 4.30 because there wouldn't be enough work for everyone to do until the next lorry arrives.

So under our current set up (which may well change) it would be possible to allow 2 people with carer issues to start early and finish early.
But that doesn't mean everybody could.

so could everyone apply to be carer's so we can all start and finish early too?

[SpacePhoenix]

We currently have 2 people who have a 4.30am start because that is the time the first lorry arrives.
This isn't overtime, this is their start time.

Not everybody can start at 4.30 because there wouldn't be enough work for everyone to do until the next lorry arrives.

So under our current set up (which may well change) it would be possible to allow 2 people with carer issues to start early and finish early.
But that doesn't mean everybody could.

I can't see that arrival time staying the same as driver's driving hours have to be factored in

[aiden01]

We currently have 2 people who have a 4.30am start because that is the time the first lorry arrives.
This isn't overtime, this is their start time.

Not everybody can start at 4.30 because there wouldn't be enough work for everyone to do until the next lorry arrives.

So under our current set up (which may well change) it would be possible to allow 2 people with carer issues to start early and finish early.
But that doesn't mean everybody could.

I can't see that arrival time staying the same as driver's driving hours have to be factored in

If most do,s are constantly failing surely there must be plenty of work to cover.

[Acca Dacca]

If it was in the building there would be no need for the later start

We currently have 2 people who have a 4.30am start because that is the time the first lorry arrives.
This isn't overtime, this is their start time.

Not everybody can start at 4.30 because there wouldn't be enough work for everyone to do until the next lorry arrives.

So under our current set up (which may well change) it would be possible to allow 2 people with carer issues to start early and finish early.
But that doesn't mean everybody could.

How long are their deliveries then if they start at 4.30am and its not overtime? Whats their start and finish time? ( assuming they dont have PHG duties which if they do, means that they would continue to do that shift over someone with carer responsibilities )

[menditsa]

MJD

The agreement states that both parties are committed to ensuring that start and finish times will be limited to up to 60 minutes change from next March 2024. That joint work will be undertaken to try to achieve this.

Only if this proves impossible in a delivery unit will it move to a maximum of 90 minutes later.

We believe in the vast majority of delivery unit you will not move more than up to 60 minutes later based on your current start time.

The term for uso last letter is no one should be out on delivery past the current 15:30 urban last letter or 16.30 for rural. It does not mean you have to delivering at 16.30 next year.

I had to bring this comment to light 2 years on as we are now delivering mail until 19.30 and many have had start times changed by 330 mins