What I meant by reading the room

[jahbalon]

This room does not matter one jot.
What matters in what postal workers mark on their ballots.
They are not going to vote for destruction and lose all the public support they once had.

[k979aaa]

Public support is not one of the things I give a jot about but our terms and conditions are worth more than a battle over back pay or a one off bung or an hour or so later start time. Most of these changes were going to happen at some point 6% plus £500 pro rata this year next year 2% we can all look back at the past but that it is the past water under a bridge gone back pay is just that on last years imposition.

[taurus88]

For me, it’s the CWU that have been utterly deaf to the rumblings around them throughout this dispute.

This has culminated in a surrender deal that condemns their hard-working members to many of the things that were forced upon them through executive action throughput this dispute; 5-hour + deliveries, attacks on sick absence, usage of PDA data to bully members - all in all an increased workload with nothing to show for it.

The CWU started off with all the bluster and bull as if it was the 90s all over again.

Meanwhile, RM employed union-busters to gradually erode the authority of the union, while backing them towards a position of irrelevance.

In presenting this deal, the CWU has signed their own death warrant. RM have ensured that, by the time the next cycle of negotiations starts, the union membership will have been significantly eroded. The impossible deliveries will drive members out, the bullying managers will drive members out, the later start times will drive members out, the inability to meet “performance standards” will drive members out. And they’ll be replaced by non-unionised staff on significantly inferior conditions.

The CWU should have read the room - this deal was never about the workforce, nor was it about today or tomorrow. It was about how, within 5 years, they could get the union out of the workplace.

They probably can’t believe how many concessions they managed to get in the meantime, but that’s probably a reflection of who was fighting each respective corner.

[denhamhoop]

Yet again the Union Leadership show just how far removed they are from the daily grind of working for Royal Mail and the main gain from this deal is they are still sitting at the Table with Management. Everything is so vague and basically at Managers Discretion on all parts of the deal in terms of Start Finish/ Work Load /Attendance Procedure luckily we know Royal Mail is run by totally fair and even handed Managers at all levels so we can trust them. The fact is everything they wanted from the deal is going to happen and the few minimal gains the CWU gained they will be back for in 2025 assuming they don't just ignore these gains in the meantime as they really don't have a good track record of following previous Agreements.
I know people are worried about their job but the work that is done by Royal Mail will have to done by someone letters do not automatically walk themselves and deliver into letterboxes. Not sure whether a corporation that is making a profit is allowed to legally declare insolvency
This deal makes the Way Forward look like the Deal of the Century

[k979aaa]

Yet again the Union Leadership show just how far removed they are from the daily grind of working for Royal Mail and the main gain from this deal is they are still sitting at the Table with Management. Everything is so vague and basically at Managers Discretion on all parts of the deal in terms of Start Finish/ Work Load /Attendance Procedure luckily we know Royal Mail is run by totally fair and even handed Managers at all levels so we can trust them. The fact is everything they wanted from the deal is going to happen and the few minimal gains the CWU gained they will be back for in 2025 assuming they don't just ignore these gains in the meantime as they really don't have a good track record of following previous Agreements.
I know people are worried about their job but the work that is done by Royal Mail will have to done by someone letters do not automatically walk themselves and deliver into letterboxes. Not sure whether a corporation that is making a profit is allowed to legally declare insolvency
This deal makes the Way Forward look like the Deal of the Century

They do have email now your barking up the wrong tree it's not the CWU fault that the conservatives changed the law about employing strike breakers if this one action had not happened this would of been over 7 to 8 months ago!

[2yearpostie]

I dont get why people who dont like dont find jobs that are more suitable and that have the pay the they desire?

WHY SHOULD THEY? Because its simply not on offer at Royal mai any more, its either this deal or redundancy so why take it out on the people willing to work under those conditions?

[k979aaa]

Because we like the terms or the hours but times are a changin and if we cannot adapt pastures new it must be but all change needs agreements it's where you or I fit in and how we all do our jobs together. Without agreement it would be endless fights at work we have an agreement it's s**t but it is an agreement!

[norris9]

If they don’t avoid going to the wall then we are in uncharted waters , any administrator will not be interested in pay , sick pay , revisions , flexibility, all it will do is try and keep uso going and that means thousands of job losses and cuts to terms and conditions.

Would it?

we are massively understaffed as it is. No way near to keeping the USO going. We'd need to employ more staff. Units failing massively across the country.

[Foxel]

I dont get why people who dont like dont find jobs that are more suitable and that have the pay the they desire?

WHY SHOULD THEY? Because its simply not on offer at Royal mai any more, its either this deal or redundancy so why take it out on the people willing to work under those conditions?

People did find a job that was suitable for them. Nothing wrong with people fighting for what they believe is fair, whether you agree with them or not. In the words of Randy Marsh, "I thought this was a free country!"

[49erman]

I dont get why people who dont like dont find jobs that are more suitable and that have the pay the they desire?

WHY SHOULD THEY? Because its simply not on offer at Royal mai any more, its either this deal or redundancy so why take it out on the people willing to work under those conditions?

People did find a job that was suitable for them. Nothing wrong with people fighting for what they believe is fair, whether you agree with them or not. In the words of Randy Marsh, "I thought this was a free country!"

[k979aaa]

In our own defence we did get some leverage out of this dispute but not enough to recommend you all vote for it . I am not sat on the fence just hovering where to land as this whole thing does not sit well with me!

[2yearpostie]

I dont get why people who dont like dont find jobs that are more suitable and that have the pay the they desire?

WHY SHOULD THEY? Because its simply not on offer at Royal mai any more, its either this deal or redundancy so why take it out on the people willing to work under those conditions?

People did find a job that was suitable for them. Nothing wrong with people fighting for what they believe is fair, whether you agree with them or not. In the words of Randy Marsh, "I thought this was a free country!"

Exactly they DID (past tense) find a job that was suitable, but agreement or not the company ARE going to change what was signed up to.