Is that the automation that means I stand and manually sort packets for 2 hours every morning,?
Or the automation where I stand at my frame for 2 hours putting the mail and packets in an efficient delivery order?
Or the automation where I plod the streets for 5 hours delivering said mail and parcels?
I don't know how long you have worked for Royal Mail but I can certainly remember the days when there was a full night staff to sort the mail.
Then everyone was on the IPS because none of the mail was sorted to the walk let alone sequenced. And there were no buddy trays of flats either.
Yes the parcels have increased but the indoor work has dropped drastically due to automation.
As to the standing at your frame for 2 hours - well Simon has already said he doesn't think that is efficient so be prepared for more changes.
So the only thing left for us to do is plod the streets for longer - but that is because people and the CWU want full time jobs. We could have 3 hour delivery spans but we wouldn't have as many full time jobs.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
Think his point was, if we enter a wage increase spiral then inflation might get out of control and we'd all be worse off in real terms than we already are.
So we should accept a pay cut in real terms then, funny how the people who come out with these statements are always millionaires.
Well maybe theres a reason they've become millionaires and perhaps listening to their expertise might benefit us
Probably by making whoever they've employed in the past work for a pittance?
Yeah its like the working class who vote Tory, oh our betters know what's good for us they tell us from their posh schools and mansion houses that austerity and gruel is good for us. Take pay cuts (in real terms) so that they can profit more for our misery. F*ck that. Stick up for our own rights pay to keep up with inflation and the millionaire's can look after themselves!
Our pay should keep up with inflation. And if the unions can't fight for that well then they are a waste of space.
So you wouldn't object to Flexi pay then if all you want is to keep up with inflation? Or maybe you'd get used to the new 7% increased level of pay and not like it if inflation dropped to 2% and you'd have to have a 2% pay rise compared to the previous rise of 7% 'to keep up with inflation' as you say. I'm sure a lot would feel cheated.
Is that the automation that means I stand and manually sort packets for 2 hours every morning,?
Or the automation where I stand at my frame for 2 hours putting the mail and packets in an efficient delivery order?
Or the automation where I plod the streets for 5 hours delivering said mail and parcels?
I don't know how long you have worked for Royal Mail but I can certainly remember the days when there was a full night staff to sort the mail.
Then everyone was on the IPS because none of the mail was sorted to the walk let alone sequenced. And there were no buddy trays of flats either.
Yes the parcels have increased but the indoor work has dropped drastically due to automation.
As to the standing at your frame for 2 hours - well Simon has already said he doesn't think that is efficient so be prepared for more changes.
So the only thing left for us to do is plod the streets for longer - but that is because people and the CWU want full time jobs. We could have 3 hour delivery spans but we wouldn't have as many full time jobs.
I started in 95 and I do concede that alot of the cushy inefficient jobs for the boys on night shift may have gone. My day as an average Joe postie is still roughly 50% indoor 50% outdoor. Royal mail have always been too slow to automate the right things and over estimate the savings gained by automation. My point is average Joe postie does not benefit from hour reductions and cares not for the mail centre workers who might have to do a full days work one day. We would like recognition for the work we do thru a decent payrise. Don't think that's much to ask
The unions policy for the April Pay Rise is the following :
1. A pay rise of inflation or above.
2. 35 hour gross working week without loss to pay meaning the final 2 hours off the working week.
3. An increase in overtime rates.
4. A commitment to more 3,4 day working.
Of course no pay increase comes without strings and that is going to be the negotiation!
Why !
CWU have given up so much we will have no terms left in a few years...same old same old and ever thus shall be
There has to be a line in the sand when you say no more
Just softening us up as per usual. Pay rise should match inflation. No need for any strings attached. Just use massive profits made over last couple of years.
Is that the automation that means I stand and manually sort packets for 2 hours every morning,?
Or the automation where I stand at my frame for 2 hours putting the mail and packets in an efficient delivery order?
Or the automation where I plod the streets for 5 hours delivering said mail and parcels?
I don't know how long you have worked for Royal Mail but I can certainly remember the days when there was a full night staff to sort the mail.
Then everyone was on the IPS because none of the mail was sorted to the walk let alone sequenced. And there were no buddy trays of flats either.
Yes the parcels have increased but the indoor work has dropped drastically due to automation.
As to the standing at your frame for 2 hours - well Simon has already said he doesn't think that is efficient so be prepared for more changes.
So the only thing left for us to do is plod the streets for longer - but that is because people and the CWU want full time jobs. We could have 3 hour delivery spans but we wouldn't have as many full time jobs.
Does it even matter if we dont work a 8 hour (ish) day? If automation can take away some of our work, lets just work fewer hours for the same pay?
Obviously im not being serious about that but . . . why not?
Working less hours for the same pay is irrelevant. The topic of this discussion is PAYRISE!!! We are asking for our hard earned efforts to be rewarded by an increase in pay to match the increase of cost of living. Why worry about working less to just sit at home earlier and worry how we're going to keep our families warm and well fed!!!!
Working less hours for the same pay is irrelevant. The topic of this discussion is PAYRISE!!! We are asking for our hard earned efforts to be rewarded by an increase in pay to match the increase of cost of living. Why worry about working less to just sit at home earlier and worry how we're going to keep our families warm and well fed!!!!
Well maybe because the idea of doing 6+ hour deliveries everyday is terrifying! Bad enough doing 4-5.30 delivery spans now, and cant imagine doing this for next next 20-25 years.
Working less hours for the same pay is irrelevant. The topic of this discussion is PAYRISE!!! We are asking for our hard earned efforts to be rewarded by an increase in pay to match the increase of cost of living. Why worry about working less to just sit at home earlier and worry how we're going to keep our families warm and well fed!!!!
This was my opinion on the reduction in hours from the start, it's extra money in our wages we need not 12 minutes off the work day
NO delivery should take 6 hours and if they do then a rep should be brought in immediately!!! I was always under the perception that a delivery span of a duty should range from 4 hours 30 to 5 hours TOPS. So much so that we had a planner in our place a few years back who was trying to sort out our last table top/revision and when asking a few guys how long at that time did it take to complete was given the usual lies that their duties were far longer that they actually were. One guy said 6 hours, another said 5 and a half and to the planners credit, he then advised the guys to go get their union rep as those duty spans are unacceptable and unachievable. Suffice to say the 2 guys backed down and never mentioned it again.
Working less hours for the same pay is irrelevant. The topic of this discussion is PAYRISE!!!
Spoken like a true full timer.
The reduction in the working week is a pay rise for part time staff. (And there numbers seem to be increasing)
By saying this it looks as though you think I am more concerned about Full Timers than Part Timers!! I dont see it that way at all. I think EVERYONE should get a pay rise. I don't care if someone is part time or full time. In fact, in our office it's the part timers that are shafted with the longer duties and to their credit they do the duties better than a full timer would!! Believe me, I've been there as a part timer. I know what it's like and I know how bad they're treated!! ALL of us should get the same
Strings attached for a pay rise , fed up of this scenario every year , and waiting till october for it ! The last cpl years has been a joke , constant pressure, conduct codes, well be having a conversation, and the damage done by forced in revisions . Strings attached ,,, we deserve better !
Wouldn't it be nice, just once, if our employer could just give us what we deserve wihout making us get on our knees, beg and then roll over for the £200 pound tickle on the tummy...whilst they shave a bit more off our arses.
NO delivery should take 6 hours and if they do then a rep should be brought in immediately!!! I was always under the perception that a delivery span of a duty should range from 4 hours 30 to 5 hours TOPS.
I think you'll find Frankie that there's no real limit to the length of a delivery. It's Royal Mail paying the wages and they can basically ask you to do what they want during that time.
I've had this argument countless times with many DOMs, when they raise the issue of getting other staff to prep duties on Early IPS ..... so you can get out on delivery Quicker... not necessarily Earlier. I put it to him, "What you're suggesting is that IF you fully prepped my duty, you'd expect me to come in later and spend my entire contracted hours delivering it"? I was told that's just being silly.
The problem we have is that we always reduce the number of duties, and staff, to hit all the New Revison/Efficiency figures. I've never know DOMs to accept the fact that they need to create another duty (to ease the workload on several surrounding duties) and actually increase the number of staff. Any Offices out there ever had that happen?
Like all Wage Slaves, he had two crosses to bear: The people he worked for and the people he worked with! (Stephen Vizinczey.)
