For those who say a no vote will see RM pile in and make all the changes as they see fit I ask a simple question - why haven't they done so already then?
I thought that was one of the major complaints during this dispute.
That the company was just implementing change as they saw fit?
You know..
Changes to VR..
Imposed revisions.
Changing start times.
Changing attendance patterns.
That sort of thing.
It was kind of a big deal.
Ok, the revisions have happened in my DO - not too bad and COM seemingly happy and no more changes planned (so he says). VR is reduced yes.
Changing starttimes/attendnce patterns not happened nor planned to happen.
What are these horrendous additional new changes that will come in with a NO vote?
Is it not true that changes to the fundamentals of our contracts cannot be made without our agreement? That in itself is reason to vote no.
And what you didn't address is that if we meekly accept this destruction of our T&C then they'll be back in under two years for much more - and what does the Union plan to do to stop that ? Waiting a long time to hear the answer to that I reckon - totally powerless with a 97% mandate
win the ballot win the dispute!! Yeah right - if this is what a win looks like SMDH
And what about the next agreement in a couple of years time ? Same again, more erosion of t&cs , where does it end ? If you roll over now and accept this , it’s just the start.
You don’t seem to understand. We have no leverage here. That came and went when we were on strike on Christmas Eve, when ultimately any power we had by withdrawing labour evaporated. The reason for this, is both the CWU and RM are now in acquiescence at the state of the company. You can’t squeeze blood out of a stone. RM pissed away the profits we all made for them, during the pandemic, and now that traffic has dried up, and costs are sky high, the coffers are bare.
We have been screwed over, but you have to think logically and realise that voting no hurts us all. Your protest vote will not lead to an improved deal on the table, and it will not in any way hurt the rich bosses running the company. Even if the unlikely happens and RM goes under, do you think that the wealthy board will give a s**t? No, it will be me and you that suffer. Hell, even if you believe the CWU upper echelon are somehow conspiring against you, they have nothing to lose either way. Think what is best for you going forward.
Bolded >the company is not about to go under nor is it close to being broke. At the results conference Williams painted an upbeat picture to institutional investors regards the company's future revenue/profit trajectory.
For those who say a no vote will see RM pile in and make all the changes as they see fit I ask a simple question - why haven't they done so already then?
Williams’s comments were probably based on the assumption of the agreement being in place sooner rather than later. And I ask again, on what are you basing your assessment of RM’s finances when we have both RM and the CWU agreeing on the dire state of the company? What do you know that they don’t?
In regards your second paragraph - erm, they have. Later start times, changes to shift patterns, are already in/happening and RM have already announced the change to sick pay is happening regardless. If I recall they mentioned August.
Ok so we agree to everything else within the agreement but sick pay really???. If that needs to happen to save the business then it's already dead and buried.
It's the enforced extra hour or so out on delivery in the winter months that's unacceptable to me, now you've mentioned the sick pay I certainly don't want punishing if in a 12 month period I have to have a 2nd absence with the trots or something else that only causes a day or two off due to RM's inability to deal with the piss takers.
What we all know is that certain members of our upper management and board have no compunction when it comes to untruths under oath which does make them rather difficult to believe I would suggest.
Vote however you want to vote, as you should and as is your right, just like everyone else.
Opinions are like bum holes....everyone has one.
On a side note, my mate just got a puppy and was asking for name suggestions....I said call him Lou...because he likes rolling over and having his tummy tickled!
What we all know is that certain members of our upper management and board have no compunction when it comes to untruths under oath which does make them rather difficult to believe I would suggest.
Vote however you want to vote, as you should and as is your right, just like everyone else.
Opinions are like bum holes....everyone has one.
On a side note, my mate just got a puppy and was asking for name suggestions....I said call him Lou...because he likes rolling over and having his tummy tickled!
For those who say a no vote will see RM pile in and make all the changes as they see fit I ask a simple question - why haven't they done so already then?
I thought that was one of the major complaints during this dispute.
That the company was just implementing change as they saw fit?
You know..
Changes to VR..
Imposed revisions.
Changing start times.
Changing attendance patterns.
That sort of thing.
It was kind of a big deal.
None of those are changes to our contract of employment unlike changing our sick terms and seasonal variation/annualised hours
You agreed from the start they couldnt bring in some of the changes without agreement that the union were letting RM attempt to frighten us with like mandatory Sunday working and commit to deliver. You were right of course, but why now are you going along with the other changes they cant force through when people now say the same as you did about Sundays?
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
I've actually spoken to own union rep in our office and he hasn't a clue on what has been said on here or the upper union reps plan going forward. So not even sure if this is viable or not. Looks like we'll find out tomorrow or Saturday at the latest on if this is true or not.
For those who say a no vote will see RM pile in and make all the changes as they see fit I ask a simple question - why haven't they done so already then?
I thought that was one of the major complaints during this dispute.
That the company was just implementing change as they saw fit?
You know..
Changes to VR..
Imposed revisions.
Changing start times.
Changing attendance patterns.
That sort of thing.
It was kind of a big deal.
None of those are changes to our contract of employment unlike changing our sick terms and seasonal variation/annualised hours
You agreed from the start they couldnt bring in some of the changes without agreement that the union were letting RM attempt to frighten us with like mandatory Sunday working and commit to deliver. You were right of course, but why now are you going along with the other changes they cant force through when people now say the same as you did about Sundays?
Agreement reached on national statement which satisfies CWU demands. CWU comms issued tomorrow. Nation zoom call with branches next week. National joint zoom with all Reps and Managers next week. Date for ballot agreed by PEC.
Absolutely no doubt woodys source was accurate and there was something due out today. Just another example of this union holding the members with complete contempt. They had the nerve so send me a ballot for a local divisional rep today though which I found hilarious. Yes I’m being screwed from every direction from both company and union but please let me vote in another freeloader to attend the tea and biscuit meetings.
Agreement reached on national statement which satisfies CWU demands. CWU comms issued tomorrow. Nation zoom call with branches next week. National joint zoom with all Reps and Managers next week. Date for ballot agreed by PEC.
still waiting....
Exactly.
Rep comes on yet again and promises comms today.
Then nothing.
Just astonishing.
