A union leadership that is so far out of step with it's members is a massive failure on the part of the PEC.
I really hope you send the Div and Area reps into units to try and sell this to us, let them feel the genuine anger of the membership.
Read the effing room.
Lost count of how many times our area rep have come in to sort a problem, only for them to agree with us but say let it go on, then the management will change their mind.
They never have.
The whole problem is how we work how hard we all work just take your time these parasites that feed of us all will die off once we all work like we should do!
With summers set to get hotter and our rounds have gotten bigger it’s madness to move our delivery times so we will be delivering at the hottest part of the day
I really don’t feel they’ve explored alternatives solutions
Has Royal Mail spoken with the government regarding the issue of mail arriving later due to no longer using airplanes?
Surely there could be some negotiation about mail coming from further afield, maybe an extra days grace on the delivery window
I mean if customers feel strongly enough about reducing carbon footprint then I don’t think they would object
So I’m sorry but I’m not going to vote yes to a deal that would be detrimental to my health
people really do noy care about crbon footprint as much as they say they do , they will just go to whoever is dleivering quickest. all this would do is stop people using rm
I didn’t realise that there was another company that delivers mail?!?!
You think people care? there are alternatives to mail if a simple letter is taking days they are just going to find alternative means such as e mail or ringing. letters are not needed. making them worse will not be a good thing ,
Royal Mail currently only transports 6.6% of mail by air
So really you don’t think it’s worth getting a concession for those 6.6% of letters?
You think it’s a much better plan to make make posties work in dangerous conditions??
Or to make it so this job will no longer be viable for young families or anyone with other commitments that don’t fit with the new schedule?
A union leadership that is so far out of step with it's members is a massive failure on the part of the PEC.
I really hope you send the Div and Area reps into units to try and sell this to us, let them feel the genuine anger of the membership.
Read the effing room.
Lost count of how many times our area rep have come in to sort a problem, only for them to agree with us but say let it go on, then the management will change their mind.
They never have.
A union leadership that is so far out of step with it's members is a massive failure on the part of the PEC.
I really hope you send the Div and Area reps into units to try and sell this to us, let them feel the genuine anger of the membership.
Read the effing room.
Lost count of how many times our area rep have come in to sort a problem, only for them to agree with us but say let it go on, then the management will change their mind.
They never have.
After 12 pints on a Saturday I’ve come up with a solution. Deliveries work from 10pm till 6am and processing work during the daytime to get the Mail to us. In essence totally reverse the entire operation. We’ll be working in the dark anyway.
Just can't believe the CWU doesn't understand what this means for delivery staff. Sure, expected a lot of crap in the deal but why is flexing even in there. Revisions mean a lot longer round's, walking for X amount of hours a day and our own union think's it's alright for us to be told No you can't finish at your finish time even though your dead on your feet, stay out and do another half hour. DW and the rest of them you come and do it. Stop giving us f##king reasons why we should vote yes. Agree with a lot of the sentiment here our own union our now the STs of this world.
London weighting was to be merged into one payment , but instead gets a 10% up lift. But you haven't listed that !...
I wonder why??? Given the financial predicament stated was that money actually a necessary requirement at the cost to other members????
Can you elaborate on that?
So the London weighting payment goes up 10% and they get the 10% pay deal as well?
Yes like pay London weighting will go up by 10%, originally in talks RM proposed a one tier system. And do away with the inner and outer London rates, these are very significant amounts of cash to those who receive them and are on top the difficult recruitment allowance making it a.£100+ weekly.
This has been paid for via a reduction of IHR....or Sick leave take your pick.
Dave Ward and his musketeers were offered one pot of money to split up as.they wished during the negotiations. Effectively they chose London weighting over other allowances, IHR, and Sick pay.
London weighting has been a cabal thing for.a.while, with Liverpool branches always defe ding it at conference bizarrely for some reason.
My guess is that there are some old agreements through hush hush agreements that mean certain parts and certain people .elsewhere in the country receive it such as PEC members , certain offices etc...
The real question is why are trying sell us out.
Answer?
Because RM wanted to take the cwu out the workplace .
As Andy fury said "it a hostric deal and the cwu are back in the workplace "
Says it all really.sell out the staff so the cwu can keep a position in the workplace ...you then just become a workers association..
You lot should be ashamed to call your selves a union .
Vote no and remove rhe shitsters on pec .
Do you not see that by taking the reps out of all workplaces you are silencing the voice of all workers in any individual unit.
We are all part of the union and the reps are our voice in workplace.
Very few if any industries have reps on every shop floor.
Life could be allot more uncomfortable if they were all removed.
Bullying and harassment would increase tenfold. It benefits every member to have a unionised workplace.
Maybe it's not everyone's experience but reps often succeed in reigning in power hungry overzealous managers.
We don't want that to stop, so it is a victory for us all.
The real question is why are trying sell us out.
Answer?
Because RM wanted to take the cwu out the workplace .
As Andy fury said "it a hostric deal and the cwu are back in the workplace "
Says it all really.sell out the staff so the cwu can keep a position in the workplace ...you then just become a workers association..
You lot should be ashamed to call your selves a union .
Vote no and remove rhe shitsters on pec .
Do you not see that by taking the reps out of all workplaces you are silencing the voice of all workers in any individual unit.
We are all part of the union and the reps are our voice in workplace.
Very few if any industries have reps on every shop floor.
Life could be allot more uncomfortable if they were all removed.
Bullying and harassment would increase tenfold. It benefits every member to have a unionised workplace.
Maybe it's not everyone's experience but reps often succeed in reigning in power hungry overzealous managers.
We don't want that to stop, so it is a victory for us all.
My wife’s a teacher and union representative in schools is basically zero. The Education unions talk a good game but in reality they are none existent in the work place.
If we didn’t have reps in the workplace no way would the turnout would have been as high as it was.
The union my wife is in couldn’t even make the 50% fresh hold meaning they couldn’t strike. It’s says a lot when people can’t even be bothered to put a cross in a box and put a letter in a postbox.
Just can't believe the CWU doesn't understand what this means for delivery staff. Sure, expected a lot of crap in the deal but why is flexing even in there. Revisions mean a lot longer round's, walking for X amount of hours a day and our own union think's it's alright for us to be told No you can't finish at your finish time even though your dead on your feet, stay out and do another half hour. DW and the rest of them you come and do it. Stop giving us f##king reasons why we should vote yes. Agree with a lot of the sentiment here our own union our now the STs of this world.
Flexing is just another means for Royal Mail to reduce overtime and complete deliveries. Whenever I've been asked to flex I've always said no because they always wanted me to do an extra 30 mins outdoor work and in return asked me to come in 30 mins later the following day.
Afaik it is still voluntary but it's in the deal to suit Royal Mail and the direction that the company is heading towards.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
