What deal are you waiting for?

[redlen]

Never said you were all at fault?

Stated it was the CWU at fault calling for a ballot with the pay claim that resulted in tearing up the legal undertakings contained in the Agenda for Growth.

After that happened Royal Mail went nuclear with existing terms and conditions knowing the CWU could do SFA about it legally.

It was the CWU that opened up Pandora's Box.

[k979aaa]

Never said you were all at fault?

Stated it was the CWU at fault calling for a ballot with the pay claim that resulted in tearing up the legal undertakings contained in the Agenda for Growth.

After that happened Royal Mail went nuclear with existing terms and conditions knowing the CWU could do SFA about it legally.

It was the CWU that opened up Pandora's Box.

The facts are we are not greedy we need a pay rise to match inflation but RM need to adjust the way hours we work. They gave £567 Million to shareholders and the people at the top ie the CEO and Chairman the whole board benefited by shareholder value ie dividends. As to the CWU and the pandora's box they Imposed a 2% deal and blanked the union get your facts right REDLEN thing is to you facts don't match the fiction you portray!

[FilthyBloke]

Never said you were all at fault?

Stated it was the CWU at fault calling for a ballot with the pay claim that resulted in tearing up the legal undertakings contained in the Agenda for Growth.

After that happened Royal Mail went nuclear with existing terms and conditions knowing the CWU could do SFA about it legally.

It was the CWU that opened up Pandora's Box.

This is exactly the issue. If the CWU had a proper legal team they would have pointed out to the CWU that calling that ballot would allow the agenda for growth to be attacked and decimated.
After that the union lost, not only the dispute now, but the years and effort coming to that original agreement.

[k979aaa]

Never said you were all at fault?

Stated it was the CWU at fault calling for a ballot with the pay claim that resulted in tearing up the legal undertakings contained in the Agenda for Growth.

After that happened Royal Mail went nuclear with existing terms and conditions knowing the CWU could do SFA about it legally.

It was the CWU that opened up Pandora's Box.

This is exactly the issue. If the CWU had a proper legal team they would have pointed out to the CWU that calling that ballot would allow the agenda for growth to be attacked and decimated.
After that the union lost, not only the dispute now, but the years and effort coming to that original agreement.

And your the defender of the faith of the union? Are you in the Union asked twice yet no answer get of the fence and say why!

[k979aaa]

At the end of the day we can all except our lot of a pittance of pay for a hard days graft. Thing is we are 40% overpaid according to people on here no less it is incumbent on us all to make sure we all are 50% overpaid in the coming weeks!

[Jen1]

I’m not willing to start and finish any later than I do now

I don't see how that can form any part of the deal really.

If the public want their packages delivered later in the day, and that's what the business model has become, you can't really argue against it. You might not like it and it may no longer suit you, but that's the way business goes.

It's like saying I don't want to do the job because we don't finish at midday any more.

I don’t know which customers you have been speaking to but the ones I deliver to like to use Royal Mail because they’re under the impression that we deliver earlier than other companies so they can have the rest of the day to themselves also they know their parcel won’t be left in full view on their doorstep in the pissing rain

A lot of people don’t get home from work til 5.30-6pm so unless we’re going to start our deliveries at 5.30pm later start and finish times is of absolutely no benefit to them

We already have a reputation of working early in the morning why not make that our brand and build on that and let the gig economy parcel companies fight over the later deliveries

[redlen]

Joe Blogs customer wants their mail and packets at the breakfast table. Especially kids with Birthday cards etc before they go to school.

Those days are long gone and have not happened for years. Delivery now gets out when everybody else is at work. One of the reasons you cannot get rid of packets now.

[Jen1]

Also (while I’m on a rant sorry) I’ve seen a huge rise in customers that are making a full time living from buying and selling on the internet

There’s at least 15 on my round as I know from the number of parcel collects I get

Do you think these people who work from home want their deliveries later or do you think they’d like them earlier so they can package up their orders and get them to the post office before the last collection??

There’s a whole market out there that we’re already suited to cater for that we will lose if we go to later delivery times

Make no mistake the only benefit to later deliveries is that Royal Mail can shut down and sell off some more mail centres because if your mail is coming from further afield it cannot get there as early

It’s just another asset stripping plan to make short term profit for the shareholders and the board’s bonuses and cause long term irreversible damage but our CEO will of lined his pockets and be long gone by then

[k979aaa]

Joe Blogs customer wants their mail and packets at the breakfast table. Especially kids with Birthday cards etc before they go to school.

Those days are long gone and have not happened for years. Delivery now gets out when everybody else is at work. One of the reasons you cannot get rid of packets now.

Are you doing the Sunday run red! when they are in?

[Hyrrokkin]

Never said you were all at fault?

Stated it was the CWU at fault calling for a ballot with the pay claim that resulted in tearing up the legal undertakings contained in the Agenda for Growth.

After that happened Royal Mail went nuclear with existing terms and conditions knowing the CWU could do SFA about it legally.

It was the CWU that opened up Pandora's Box.

This is exactly the issue. If the CWU had a proper legal team they would have pointed out to the CWU that calling that ballot would allow the agenda for growth to be attacked and decimated.
After that the union lost, not only the dispute now, but the years and effort coming to that original agreement.

CWU must have known - legal advice or not that the ballot could/would enable RM to tear up any agreement
Either they are incompetent or corrupt

[Acca Dacca]

Royal Mail already werent adhering to the agreement by imposing the 2% by exeuctive action without negotiating

So if RM can refuse to adhere to the agreement without consequence, it doesnt matter if the agreement is ripped up or not - its not being adhered to so not worth the paper its written on

If RM told the union they werent going to abide by it any longer, what is the union supposed to do? Do nothing? Refuse to take action because.....the agreement that is already not being honoured will get torn up?

The fact that RM wasnt honoring the agreement is the REASON strike action was called

''Im going to keep punching you in the face, and if you dare punch me back, im going to keep punching you in the face''

''ok I wont punch you back will you stop punching me in the face?''

''no''

The point being if we never took action the agreement was out the window regardless - RM had no intentions of sticking to it.

[FilthyBloke]

Royal Mail already werent adhering to the agreement by imposing the 2% by exeuctive action without negotiating

So if RM can refuse to adhere to the agreement without consequence, it doesnt matter if the agreement is ripped up or not - its not being adhered to so not worth the paper its written on

If RM told the union they werent going to abide by it any longer, what is the union supposed to do? Do nothing? Refuse to take action because.....the agreement that is already not being honoured will get torn up?

The fact that RM wasnt honoring the agreement is the REASON strike action was called

''Im going to keep punching you in the face, and if you dare punch me back, im going to keep punching you in the face''

''ok I wont punch you back will you stop punching me in the face?''

''no''

The point being if we never took action the agreement was out the window regardless - RM had no intentions of sticking to it.

Then what you are saying is that even if we get an agreement next week it means nothing. It’s not worth the paper it’s written on and the union are powerless to stop the changes.

Makes you wonder what the point of any of these talks are.

[postslippete]

Also (while I’m on a rant sorry) I’ve seen a huge rise in customers that are making a full time living from buying and selling on the internet

There’s at least 15 on my round as I know from the number of parcel collects I get

Do you think these people who work from home want their deliveries later or do you think they’d like them earlier so they can package up their orders and get them to the post office before the last collection??

There’s a whole market out there that we’re already suited to cater for that we will lose if we go to later delivery times

Make no mistake the only benefit to later deliveries is that Royal Mail can shut down and sell off some more mail centres because if your mail is coming from further afield it cannot get there as early

It’s just another asset stripping plan to make short term profit for the shareholders and the board’s bonuses and cause long term irreversible damage but our CEO will of lined his pockets and be long gone by then

[Acca Dacca]

Royal Mail already werent adhering to the agreement by imposing the 2% by exeuctive action without negotiating

So if RM can refuse to adhere to the agreement without consequence, it doesnt matter if the agreement is ripped up or not - its not being adhered to so not worth the paper its written on

If RM told the union they werent going to abide by it any longer, what is the union supposed to do? Do nothing? Refuse to take action because.....the agreement that is already not being honoured will get torn up?

The fact that RM wasnt honoring the agreement is the REASON strike action was called

''Im going to keep punching you in the face, and if you dare punch me back, im going to keep punching you in the face''

''ok I wont punch you back will you stop punching me in the face?''

''no''

The point being if we never took action the agreement was out the window regardless - RM had no intentions of sticking to it.

Then what you are saying is that even if we get an agreement next week it means nothing. It’s not worth the paper it’s written on and the union are powerless to stop the changes.

Makes you wonder what the point of any of these talks are.

Well the reality is that yes, thats correct

Any agreement that certain parts can becomes invalid if the union take industrial action isnt worth the paper its written on. The reality is as soon as RM decide they dont want to honour the agreement then thats the agreement over as the only realistic option the CWU are left to have them honour it is with industrial action.

Which then is used as the reason for the agreement being invalidated......and so forth

[redlen]

Since when is a pay rise related specifically to the prescribed legal undertakings contained in the Agenda for Growth?