FAO Martin Walsh !!!

[steve1873]

You really are dumb aren't you.

Do you not get it

Striking and ia notice would add pressure on both sides to get a deal done

Dumb as f**k

I'll say it again

Calling for more strikes on one hand whilst saying commit to deliver should be implemented on the other = clown

if you believe the above, then you too are a clown

Haha your so thick!

Calling for more strike is just leverage

I didn't read anywhere commit to deliver should be implemented it's just an idea and like any idea swings and roundabouts

Irony alert LOL.

[postslippete]

I don't see anything wrong with commit to deliver as long as workloads are acceptable! why should you not be expected to do your fair share of work, I know for a fact there are piss takers and that cannot be right, lets give the customers the service they deserve!! and as for flexi hours it can work both ways you know as long as it is implemented correctly with right oversight from the CWU nothing wrong with this at all, I have worked at another company and flexi hours in the past and annualised hours and it can be of benefit to the workers too!

All commit to deliver is going to do is put more pressure on posties because it basically allows managers to allocate what is a fair share of work in an authoritarian and punitive way. Are you aware of how much spin is put on mail and packet traffic forecasts? Are you aware that there are also rogue managers that exist in Royal Mail? I'm sure these managers would have a field day giving some poor old postie triple lapsing and telling them its do-able because some 20-odd year old can do it even though he runs round with a bag on his back. Should the ones who rush round and finish early be given extra work to do instead? What workloads are acceptable because every day is different. For example, on days when the mail hasn't gone out, what is a fair workload? Half the round??

Giving customers the service that they deserve relies on the company recruiting enough staff to ensure that they get all the mail delivered everyday. I've worked at companies where the managers/supervisors have had to roll their sleeves up and get the work done if they were short staffed. Never mind all the b*llocks about managers shouldn't be doing posties work - why the hell not?? Most posties hate doing a different round to their chosen duty so why can't a manager on more money go out and deliver instead of drinking coffee and eating doughnuts instead? Why should managers not be expected to do their fair share of work? Maybe because its like you said....there are piss takers and that cannot be right

[Nickvilla20]

I don't see anything wrong with commit to deliver as long as workloads are acceptable! why should you not be expected to do your fair share of work, I know for a fact there are piss takers and that cannot be right, lets give the customers the service they deserve!! and as for flexi hours it can work both ways you know as long as it is implemented correctly with right oversight from the CWU nothing wrong with this at all, I have worked at another company and flexi hours in the past and annualised hours and it can be of benefit to the workers too!

All commit to deliver is going to do is put more pressure on posties because it basically allows managers to allocate what is a fair share of work in an authoritarian and punitive way. Are you aware of how much spin is put on mail and packet traffic forecasts? Are you aware that there are also rogue managers that exist in Royal Mail? I'm sure these managers would have a field day giving some poor old postie triple lapsing and telling them its do-able because some 20-odd year old can do it even though he runs round with a bag on his back. Should the ones who rush round and finish early be given extra work to do instead? What workloads are acceptable because every day is different. For example, on days when the mail hasn't gone out, what is a fair workload? Half the round??

Giving customers the service that they deserve relies on the company recruiting enough staff to ensure that they get all the mail delivered everyday. I've worked at companies where the managers/supervisors have had to roll their sleeves up and get the work done if they were short staffed. Never mind all the b*llocks about managers shouldn't be doing posties work - why the hell not?? Most posties hate doing a different round to their chosen duty so why can't a manager on more money go out and deliver instead of drinking coffee and eating doughnuts instead? Why should managers not be expected to do their fair share of work? Maybe because its like you said....there are piss takers and that cannot be right

Royal Mail must have some of the worst managers out there. I’ve meet a few good ones who knew the job inside out and would help you but most of them have left now.

What you have left is the ones who are too lazy to be postmen or the ones who just want to make peoples lives a misery.

Flexi time, annualised hours and commit to deliver could never work due to very inept management and a workforce who has no trust or respect of any level of management in the company.

[Stuntrider]

I think two things are absolutely obvious. Firstly "Commit to deliver" is equal to "commit to slavery" and secondly anyone who advocates any such commitment is either a management stooge or an out and out troll. Please close this utterly pointless management led thread.

[Acca Dacca]

If the financial state of the business is much more perilous than it was when we first started taking industrial action - to the point that possible bankruptcy is now being mentioned by some people - why is the share price the same as it was in September 2022?

Also, It was once £1.20 or so under Rico Back and its at £2.24 right now

Wouldnt it have crashed dramatically by now if RM was really in as bad a state as is being stated?

The shareholders dont seem scared, yet us workers are having the frighteners put into them.

Is this in preparation of a shoddy deal? Fear is usually the tool RM uses when trying to push crap through - I hope the union arent doing the same thing.

[robking]

One question;

If the financial state of the business is much more perilous than it was when we first started taking industrial action - to the point that possible bankruptcy is now being mentioned by some people - why is the share price the same as it was in September 2022?

Also, It was once £1.20 or so under Rico Back and its at £2.24 right now

Wouldnt it have crashed dramatically by now if RM was really in as bad a state as is being stated?

Partly because there is a Czech investor, a strange man who never makes public comments and never gives interviews but he is immensely wealthy and he has been building a stake in the company for a while now.
People think he might launch a takeover bid for the whole company, if he does, he will have to make an attractive offer to shareholders to get them to accept.
This possible scenario is priced into the shares, helping to prop them up.

[Acca Dacca]

One question;

If the financial state of the business is much more perilous than it was when we first started taking industrial action - to the point that possible bankruptcy is now being mentioned by some people - why is the share price the same as it was in September 2022?

Also, It was once £1.20 or so under Rico Back and its at £2.24 right now

Wouldnt it have crashed dramatically by now if RM was really in as bad a state as is being stated?

Partly because there is a Czech investor, a strange man who never makes public comments and never gives interviews but he is immensely wealthy and he has been building a stake in the company for a while now.
People think he might launch a takeover bid for the whole company, if he does, he will have to make an attractive offer to shareholders to get them to accept.
This possible scenario is priced into the shares, helping to prop them up.

So no bankruptcy then

[justanumber]

What is wrong with you people. Now i dont know who's senior on here and who's not but with the way your all talking you sound like you have just started. At what point did any of you think this will go our way. August,September,October,November,December,January,Febuary,March and soon April and we seem no further. If you are a senior man/woman we've been saying its been run into the ground for years or at least you should have been. No deal has ever taken this long, does that make it the Unions fault..No.. I am sick to death of people bleating on about EA and wheres the Union. EA is exactly that executive action and it dont matter how many union reps try..u can not stop it because its EXECUTIVE ACTION!!!..The company will bring it in.
Now also on here i dont know how many of you work in DO's or MC's how many are F/T, P/T temp contracts etc. But the EA is aimed primarily at DO staff. So if thats the majority of people on here from what i read is the case. How many times over recent and past do you all need to run into a brick wall. The job that we once had went after it was privatised and you should have adapted to it. When PDA's came in you should have adapted. Lapsing came in. You should have adapted. You should have ADAPTED. Job and knock ended
The days of coming in and a clear office policy are things of a by gone era yet on here all that is said is "i have a exra x amount of del points or my rounds too big. Who cares. If your manager doesn't why should you and if we all look back managers threw the towel in in regards of quality of service years ago. Yet staff still come in early. Do you all really need spoon feeding to the reality. They just want you to work your hours.
This is a business that when privatisation happened wouldn't work. Just for the simple reason that for the vast majority of time the job ran on good will. And when the carrot is taken away the job crumbles
Have the union been perfect..no
Is RM being heavy handed...yes
Is that a postmans/womans fault..no
DO YOUR HOURS
START ON TIME
FINISH ON TIME
TAKE YOUR BREAKS
GO HOME..
And rembember the only reason your COM is on at u is because they are tied to bonus.

[chrisj]

The silent ones are now making the voices heard... It is a pity it has taken this long!

[derekm]

I don't see anything wrong with commit to deliver as long as workloads are acceptable! why should you not be expected to do your fair share of work, I know for a fact there are piss takers and that cannot be right, lets give the customers the service they deserve!! and as for flexi hours it can work both ways you know as long as it is implemented correctly with right oversight from the CWU nothing wrong with this at all, I have worked at another company and flexi hours in the past and annualised hours and it can be of benefit to the workers too!

All commit to deliver is going to do is put more pressure on posties because it basically allows managers to allocate what is a fair share of work in an authoritarian and punitive way. Are you aware of how much spin is put on mail and packet traffic forecasts? Are you aware that there are also rogue managers that exist in Royal Mail? I'm sure these managers would have a field day giving some poor old postie triple lapsing and telling them its do-able because some 20-odd year old can do it even though he runs round with a bag on his back. Should the ones who rush round and finish early be given extra work to do instead? What workloads are acceptable because every day is different. For example, on days when the mail hasn't gone out, what is a fair workload? Half the round??

Giving customers the service that they deserve relies on the company recruiting enough staff to ensure that they get all the mail delivered everyday. I've worked at companies where the managers/supervisors have had to roll their sleeves up and get the work done if they were short staffed. Never mind all the b*llocks about managers shouldn't be doing posties work - why the hell not?? Most posties hate doing a different round to their chosen duty so why can't a manager on more money go out and deliver instead of drinking coffee and eating doughnuts instead? Why should managers not be expected to do their fair share of work? Maybe because its like you said....there are piss takers and that cannot be right

Remember when management had to go out and deliver any walks left in. Don’t know why it changed.

[Belgium]

Can i just clarify the point on historical allowances as some people think it's unfair that ex phg`s get an extra £20

The £20 was agreed as part of a restructure of the then phg and stamper grade, the idea being that going forward there would be one single grade
What most people seem to have forgotten is that people like myself (an ex phg ) agreed to the £20 to be paid until we left the business or retired, the down side to this was that we did not receive a pay rise until the stamper grade caught us up on pay, off hand i can`t remember how many years this was until they caught up are pay rate, so there was a price to be paid we didn't just get handed the money for nothing

[SpacePhoenix]

Can i just clarify the point on historical allowances as some people think it's unfair that ex phg`s get an extra £20

The £20 was agreed as part of a restructure of the then phg and stamper grade, the idea being that going forward there would be one single grade
What most people seem to have forgotten is that people like myself (an ex phg ) agreed to the £20 to be paid until we left the business or retired, the down side to this was that we did not receive a pay rise until the stamper grade caught us up on pay, off hand i can`t remember how many years this was until they caught up are pay rate, so there was a price to be paid we didn't just get handed the money for nothing

Never heard of a "stamper grade", what duties did that grade do?

[Belgium]

Can i just clarify the point on historical allowances as some people think it's unfair that ex phg`s get an extra £20

The £20 was agreed as part of a restructure of the then phg and stamper grade, the idea being that going forward there would be one single grade
What most people seem to have forgotten is that people like myself (an ex phg ) agreed to the £20 to be paid until we left the business or retired, the down side to this was that we did not receive a pay rise until the stamper grade caught us up on pay, off hand i can`t remember how many years this was until they caught up are pay rate, so there was a price to be paid we didn't just get handed the money for nothing

Never heard of a "stamper grade", what duties did that grade do?

a stamper grade did most of the manual handling jobs, ie tying bags re-bagging sorting frames loading and unloading vans etc

[pieoftheday]

Can i just clarify the point on historical allowances as some people think it's unfair that ex phg`s get an extra £20

The £20 was agreed as part of a restructure of the then phg and stamper grade, the idea being that going forward there would be one single grade
What most people seem to have forgotten is that people like myself (an ex phg ) agreed to the £20 to be paid until we left the business or retired, the down side to this was that we did not receive a pay rise until the stamper grade caught us up on pay, off hand i can`t remember how many years this was until they caught up are pay rate, so there was a price to be paid we didn't just get handed the money for nothing

Never heard of a "stamper grade", what duties did that grade do?

a stamper grade did most of the manual handling jobs, ie tying bags re-bagging sorting frames loading and unloading vans etc

Bloody ek I did all those jobs for years, can I get it back paid?!!

[sixfoottwo]

No wonder Martin hasn't replied in this thread total embarrassment, shambles just like RM is these days.