Payrise

[richietns]

Seems to be that way and if we did strike its always a deal,but we haven't acctually striked for a while.

[richietns]

Does anyone else wonder how much Royal Mail will care or be bothered if we do threaten to strike? Maybe im being naive but how much of an impact will a strike really have?

Strikes lead to deals we just want a straight forward payrise thats the difference.

The problem with the 'threat' or voted in strikes is that, if we went out on strike, upper management might feel "that's ok, you're all fired, but you all can come back on less pay and far worse T&C's". Just like the poor guys at P&O.

Thats a good point.

[2yearpostie]

Stick or twist time guys.

[richietns]

Is there not to many of us to that though p&o is no were near as big and operates in different countries.

[sindba]

Does anyone else wonder how much Royal Mail will care or be bothered if we do threaten to strike? Maybe im being naive but how much of an impact will a strike really have?

Strikes lead to deals we just want a straight forward payrise thats the difference.

The problem with the 'threat' or voted in strikes is that, if we went out on strike, upper management might feel "that's ok, you're all fired, but you all can come back on less pay and far worse T&C's". Just like the poor guys at P&O.

Royal Mail would never risk that.

Fire and rehire is a legal minefield in the UK and EU, one small misstep and RM would be finished as a company settling tens of thousands of unfair dismissal cases.

RM know we have a strong union behind us that would exploit that.

(P&O got away with because, in effect, they're not bound by UK law)

[Cedar_Room]

Even the threat of industrial action will make the share price tank. This is a huge advantage to us,as the money men at the top of the tree will not like this at all.

The bad news is that RM & this corrupt Tory government will do eveything in their power to prevent us from walking out….

[Cedar_Room]

Does anyone else wonder how much Royal Mail will care or be bothered if we do threaten to strike? Maybe im being naive but how much of an impact will a strike really have?

Strikes lead to deals we just want a straight forward payrise thats the difference.

The problem with the 'threat' or voted in strikes is that, if we went out on strike, upper management might feel "that's ok, you're all fired, but you all can come back on less pay and far worse T&C's". Just like the poor guys at P&O.

If that was the case,why didn’t Rico try it?

If I remember right,one of the reasons he was axed was due to the relationship between the union & RM becoming so toxic & the share price suffered?

Watch out Simon?

[blacov]

Speaking slightly off topic. I saw a few of you mentioned share price. I know this is very important to directors and Simon. Share price has jumped by over 6% today. I believe this is due to the simple fact cwu and royal mail started talks and allegedly are looking to resolve it within weeks. Of course we know it won't be finished soon but shares went up nicely today.

Pay rise/deal or whatever they wanna call it. Agree that this is going to be very messy and certainly will drag well into autumn if cwu is prepared to stand their ground and potentially ballot for strike over pay.

[Whinealot]

I just can’t see Super Si getting his hands dirty just like Crozier, Greene, and Rico before him didnt. These CEO’s give it all the “we have got to improve efficiency” viewpoint, tell us we are 40% overpayed compared to the “competition” that’ll b the same competition (certainly TNT/whistl) that tried to do end to end deliveries a few years back and failed spectacularly. We have just seen Herpes re brand itself to Evri to distance itself from the poor reputation it has for delivery standards under the old brand. Yodel are probably next! All these companies have enjoyed the fruits of the race to the bottom and what comes with it, so why I ask, does RMG feel the need to satisfy shareholders instead of taking a new approach and looking after its workforce in these unprecedented times? Answer cos the top table are at least 40% overplayed too and they seem incapable of understanding they too are driving a race to the bottom. Let’s hope we see that point driven home in the future discussions. Sadly I fear we are in for a real battle this time.

[Pharox]

Does anyone else wonder how much Royal Mail will care or be bothered if we do threaten to strike? Maybe im being naive but how much of an impact will a strike really have?

Strikes lead to deals we just want a straight forward payrise thats the difference.

The problem with the 'threat' or voted in strikes is that, if we went out on strike, upper management might feel "that's ok, you're all fired, but you all can come back on less pay and far worse T&C's". Just like the poor guys at P&O.

If that was the case,why didn’t Rico try it?

If I remember right,one of the reasons he was axed was due to the relationship between the union & RM becoming so toxic & the share price suffered?

Watch out Simon?

My guess would be the same as @sindba posted, it would be a legal minefield, along with the union, I hesitate to use 'strong' union as I believe, over the last few years, the CWU have got weaker and jumping more and more in the upper managements pockets.

[clashcityrocker]

Even the threat of industrial action will make the share price tank. This is a huge advantage to us,as the money men at the top of the tree will not like this at all.

Unless it gives them the option to buy some very cheap shares.
How many more does Kretinsky need to buy?
If the share price tanks we could be dealing with a very very different situation.

[daveyeff]

its always a ''real battle this time'' until we threaten strike action. its the only way to make these people listen. sooner the better in my opinion.

[TopperGas]

Does anybody understand these comments?

More parcels the next day

More bigger parcels, quickly and efficiently


Surely it's customers who decide on next day deliveries not the OPG's delivering them when they arrive at the DO?

Likewise bigger parcels, unless we're going to take work of the Parcelforce side of the business, if we do, then won't we all need bigger vans, not just the latest "electrified" van sites?

I can see OPG's being asked to be total flexible when it comes to both the days and the hours they work, perhaps moving to4 days a week, including Sunday's, over longer, 8 hour?, shifts.

[Acca Dacca]

Does anybody understand these comments?

More parcels the next day

More bigger parcels, quickly and efficiently


Surely it's customers who decide on next day deliveries not the OPG's delivering them when they arrive at the DO?

Likewise bigger parcels, unless we're going to take work of the Parcelforce side of the business, if we do, then won't we all need bigger vans, not just the latest "electrified" van sites?

I can see OPG's being asked to be total flexible when it comes to both the days and the hours they work, perhaps moving to4 days a week, including Sunday's, over longer, 8 hour?, shifts.

It means delivering later in the day so it gives the 'pipeline' time to get the next day parcels to the DO's for delivery

[HTPostman]

Does anybody understand these comments?

More parcels the next day

More bigger parcels, quickly and efficiently


Surely it's customers who decide on next day deliveries not the OPG's delivering them when they arrive at the DO?

Likewise bigger parcels, unless we're going to take work of the Parcelforce side of the business, if we do, then won't we all need bigger vans, not just the latest "electrified" van sites?

I can see OPG's being asked to be total flexible when it comes to both the days and the hours they work, perhaps moving to4 days a week, including Sunday's, over longer, 8 hour?, shifts.

It means delivering later in the day so it gives the 'pipeline' time to get the next day parcels to the DO's for delivery

I’m going to say it before our colleague from the mail centre says it......

Ultimately RM will redo the final dispatch times from MCs to DOs to be later, probably at least 10 hours later if not more, to allow the LAT stuff to be there for final dispatch and get delivered along with everything else. I wonder if eventually we’ll see deliveries leaving the DO at 4pm.