LTB 081/24 - Royal Mail & CWU Joint Communication Regarding Delivery 2.0 Trials

[Clappedoutpostie]

Regarding losing delivery Managers we had two go on redundancy packages last year and we were told that they were surplus and would not be replaced low and behold they have been replaced with 4 managers you just could not make it up and they are still not working on Sundays as per their pay deal agreement during our strikes

Why hasn’t the CWU pulled the company up on this, they spent (from memory) about £100 million quid on managers redundancy’s and very quickly we are back to how it was but with them now earning and extra £6/7k per year for nothing extra. We could have had some new vans with that money.

[TopperGas]

They waste so much money on stupid projects, no wonder the business is circling the plug hole. Why do we put up with this reinventing the wheel nonsense, all their stupid ideas ever mean is more work for the poor sod trudging the street. In the pantheon of stupid ideas this gets close to automatic redelivery and consumer collect , and the granddaddy of all has to be park and loop, it’s a tough ask sorting through their moronic ideas to find the worst of the worst ,because they have so many but this must be the crowning turd in the water pipe to quote General Melchett.

And Dave Ward telling everyone he wants posties to do more things for the community and new ideas for more work for us,the bloke is completely off his rocker we all know there will be no more time to do these moronic ideas.

Would love to know what that actually meant in meeting room reality.

I haven't seen one suggestion by DW of what additional work we could do which could generate extra revenue for RM, even delivering prescriptions doesn't seem to have taken off.

[Mr Rush]

I haven't seen one suggestion by DW of what additional work we could do which could generate extra revenue for RM, even delivering prescriptions doesn't seem to have taken off.

Any day now he will reveal his divine plan. Keep passing the collection plate until then.

[HTPostman]

Double spotted frames are a nightmare for D2D's as there seems no set way of delivering them, so when covering somebody's rest day etc you've no idea which properties haven't had them already.

As I never work my rest day I've consistently raised this nugget for years with various grades of screw, not one of them has returned with a concise answer which addresses the issue; normally it's a shrug of the shoulders or "I'll get back to you..."
The higher up the ladder that these clowns climb then the lack of oxygen seems to affect their ability to enable common sense.

You take both, always have done even before it was mandatory to do 20% a day.

It’s not as simple as that though. Here we have a street that on the frame is double slots because of the access points it goes something like this:


1 and 2
3 and 5
4 and 7
4a and 6
9 and 8

If you have mail for 3 and 6 and you take both slots you then have to remember 3 goes with 5, 6 goes with 4a. Easy if it’s your round. Impossible if you’re a reserve, especially with everything else you have to remember these days.

Personally my rule is if there’s mail for both addresses in the double slot I take both D2Ds. If there’s only mail for one address in the double slot, I leave both D2D. Usually by the end of the week you will have gone to both addresses in the same double slot. If not, number up and take them Saturday (or following week if one of those rogue managers instructs you to carry them over).

Works perfectly but I find:
1. A lot of colleagues struggle with intelligence, they can’t figure out they don’t have to work through their break so trying to explain my system means they look at me like I’m from Mars
2. When I’m not on the round, people go back to taking one D2D but not the other so you’re back at square 1 wondering who’s had the D2D in that double slot and who hasn’t.

[Fannybaws]

Double spotted frames are a nightmare for D2D's as there seems no set way of delivering them, so when covering somebody's rest day etc you've no idea which properties haven't had them already.

As I never work my rest day I've consistently raised this nugget for years with various grades of screw, not one of them has returned with a concise answer which addresses the issue; normally it's a shrug of the shoulders or "I'll get back to you..."
The higher up the ladder that these clowns climb then the lack of oxygen seems to affect their ability to enable common sense.

You take both, always have done even before it was mandatory to do 20% a day.

It’s not as simple as that though. Here we have a street that on the frame is double slots because of the access points it goes something like this:


1 and 2
3 and 5
4 and 7
4a and 6
9 and 8

If you have mail for 3 and 6 and you take both slots you then have to remember 3 goes with 5, 6 goes with 4a. Easy if it’s your round. Impossible if you’re a reserve, especially with everything else you have to remember these days.

Personally my rule is if there’s mail for both addresses in the double slot I take both D2Ds. If there’s only mail for one address in the double slot, I leave both D2D. Usually by the end of the week you will have gone to both addresses in the same double slot. If not, number up and take them Saturday (or following week if one of those rogue managers instructs you to carry them over).

Works perfectly but I find:
1. A lot of colleagues struggle with intelligence, they can’t figure out they don’t have to work through their break so trying to explain my system means they look at me like I’m from Mars
2. When I’m not on the round, people go back to taking one D2D but not the other so you’re back at square 1 wondering who’s had the D2D in that double slot and who hasn’t.

I had streets like that with back to back houses. I took the D2D's whether there was mail or not.

I never got this mentality of only taking D2D's if a property had mail especially when the company brought in taking 20% a day as standard.

And yes I fully understand other colleagues struggles with intelligence, it becomes exasperating having to deal with them.

[SpacePhoenix]

Why doesn't RM make the D2D companies make them suitable for machine sorting, and addressed? We could then run them on the machines, they'd get sequenced and the DTS system would eliminate most of the cold calling with them

[LouBarlow]

Why doesn't RM make the D2D companies make them suitable for machine sorting, and addressed? We could then run them on the machines, they'd get sequenced and the DTS system would eliminate most of the cold calling with them

Very good point.

[ted_e_bear]

Why doesn't RM make the D2D companies make them suitable for machine sorting, and addressed? We could then run them on the machines, they'd get sequenced and the DTS system would eliminate most of the cold calling with them

Very good point.

I agree a great point, I've mentioned before that they should insist on a size format that's more easily handled, the complete opposite of bloody dominos leaflets that are horrible for prepping into the frame it's not just the half size folded over bit but also the fact they flop over in the fitting making it difficult to insert letters, the best way to prep them is to fold them in half and that takes forever, not to mention the amount that get ripped when out on delivery, I hate the bastard things.

[TopperGas]

Why doesn't RM make the D2D companies make them suitable for machine sorting, and addressed? We could then run them on the machines, they'd get sequenced and the DTS system would eliminate most of the cold calling with them

Or just enforce a system every posties must follow and are given the time to follow it.

[Mr Rush]

I never got this mentality of only taking D2D's if a property had mail especially when the company brought in taking 20% a day as standard.

As far as I'm aware prepping a wing per day has never meant cold-calling. They're unaddressed and supposed to arrive interspersed with real mail - you know where it's for because it's behind an addressed letter, and for the sender it has more impact if it arrives with a legitimate communication.

[Fannybaws]

I never got this mentality of only taking D2D's if a property had mail especially when the company brought in taking 20% a day as standard.

As far as I'm aware prepping a wing per day has never meant cold-calling. They're unaddressed and supposed to arrive interspersed with real mail - you know where it's for because it's behind an addressed letter, and for the sender it has more impact if it arrives with a legitimate communication.

When it was introduced you delivered D2D's whether there was mail or not, and yes we did question this in our office. It was built into your supposed call rate for each day when working out the size of your duty, overtime, lapsing etc etc etc. Once it started to show massive flaws in the system and duty sizes managers turned a blind eye to how it was done. Those of us who had their heads screwed on the right way continued to do as instructed, cut off when needed and rarely did lapsing.

This is the problem with this company, every office/delivery person is doing a different thing with very loose interpretations of what is the correct procedure.

[TopperGas]

I never got this mentality of only taking D2D's if a property had mail especially when the company brought in taking 20% a day as standard.

As far as I'm aware prepping a wing per day has never meant cold-calling. They're unaddressed and supposed to arrive interspersed with real mail - you know where it's for because it's behind an addressed letter, and for the sender it has more impact if it arrives with a legitimate communication.

As discussed above the issue is with double slots where there seems no set system as to when they should be delivered.

[Mr Rush]

As discussed above the issue is with double slots where there seems no set system as to when they should be delivered.

I'm hardly surprised. Over a decade ago I remember the very issue was brought up locally and the DOM had no idea what a double slot was. Hands thrown up in despair.

[LouBarlow]

I mean, do Royal Mail even have a mechanism in place to ensure that D2Ds are being delivered any more? I know previously that they would randomly call customers and ask, but even then it is something that can be challenged by the postie. A lot of people aren’t going to remember the junk they receive, unless you literally ask them on the day.

[yellowbelly]

I mean, do Royal Mail even have a mechanism in place to ensure that D2Ds are being delivered any more? I know previously that they would randomly call customers and ask, but even then it is something that can be challenged by the postie. A lot of people aren’t going to remember the junk they receive, unless you literally ask them on the day.

A lot of trust involved - don't know if this was a local thing or was nationwide, but we used to get a piece of paper that required the duty holder each day to certify that all door to doors had been put in for that day and on Saturday delivered for that week, which was signed and given to management. They don't do that any more to save on the paper!

Judging by the amount of torn and singular D2D's that end up in bins in our depot there's a few not getting delivered. Managers don't investigate why there's D2D's in the bins.

Must admit when I rip one pulling it out of the mail bundle I'll not deliver it and try and try to remember to put a spare one back in the slot when I get back, but I never remember. SImilarly when it's chucking it down with rain and they end up like papier mache! The managers and posties that live on the rounds definitely get theirs!