How are you voting on the deal? (Vote inside)

[BigSacks]

Im not sure if others are being unreasonable or I am.

What exactly did people think the deal was going to be?

Genuine question.

Most of us want more pay and less concessions and negotiating involves making concessions of our own or course but If you are going to concede as much as Ward and Furey have then you would expect a fantastic cash incentive and pay rise in line with it at the very least

Not this pretty pathetic offer on pay and a phantom profit sharing scheme

But who, other than the hopelessly optimistic, is expecting a “fantastic cash incentive”?

The issues that the company want to see moved forward are simply the only matters at hand.
They don’t want air, they don’t want long days in the summer(they’ll have to review their staffing approach here btw), they don’t want “generous” sick and IHR terms.

When you’re pushing a boulder uphill you don’t hope for the boulder to change, you try and manage the things in the environment that you can affect.

The bottom line is a losing battle is sometimes worth fighting but on occasion you have to stem the tide and take as few casualties as you can in order to keep yourself in the game.

Thompson and the like will leave, it is the nature of private business. The only change that will make this company succeed for all of us is a change of director level approach, fresh ideas and genuine innovation and direction.
That, for me, is the only genuine hope Royal Mail and us have of a decent, long-term future.
Until then, we keep ourselves in the game.

[sindba]

The bottom line is a losing battle is sometimes worth fighting but on occasion you have to stem the tide and take as few casualties as you can in order to keep yourself in the game.

Thompson and the like will leave, it is the nature of private business. The only change that will make this company succeed for all of us is a change of director level approach, fresh ideas and genuine innovation and direction.
That, for me, is the only genuine hope Royal Mail and us have of a decent, long-term future.
Until then, we keep ourselves in the game.

Sorry but that's just pathetic.

Put up with a terrible deal now in the vague hope that at some unspecified time in the future we'll get an unspecified better deal, somehow?

No thanks.

[Acca Dacca]

Im not sure if others are being unreasonable or I am.

What exactly did people think the deal was going to be?

Genuine question.

Most of us want more pay and less concessions and negotiating involves making concessions of our own or course but If you are going to concede as much as Ward and Furey have then you would expect a fantastic cash incentive and pay rise in line with it at the very least

Not this pretty pathetic offer on pay and a phantom profit sharing scheme

But who, other than the hopelessly optimistic, is expecting a “fantastic cash incentive”?

The issues that the company want to see moved forward are simply the only matters at hand.
They don’t want air, they don’t want long days in the summer(they’ll have to review their staffing approach here btw), they don’t want “generous” sick and IHR terms.

When you’re pushing a boulder uphill you don’t hope for the boulder to change, you try and manage the things in the environment that you can affect.

The bottom line is a losing battle is sometimes worth fighting but on occasion you have to stem the tide and take as few casualties as you can in order to keep yourself in the game.

Thompson and the like will leave, it is the nature of private business. The only change that will make this company succeed for all of us is a change of director level approach, fresh ideas and genuine innovation and direction.
That, for me, is the only genuine hope Royal Mail and us have of a decent, long-term future.
Until then, we keep ourselves in the game.

You have missed the part where i said for the amount of concessions made it should be a better pay rise

What we have been offered is the sort of pay rise I’d expect if we conceded very little - not as much as we have

[Slim2none]

Well its a big fat NO from me.
CWU leadership needs to change.

Reps told today that if deal not accepted it will force RM into administration! So freaking what!

Any company that has been this badly run from the top is always heading into administration. If thats where it ends up so be it. The entire board and senior level management should be removed, black listed from ever holding a position of responsibility ever again worldwide and be forced to pay back all the monies and shares received during the ruination of this company. Never happen I know but it damn well should!

A company cannot be destroyed from the bottom upwards!

The mail still has to be processed, sorted, transported and delivered. That can't and won't stop. It will still be the workforce that "keeps mail moving". It sure as sh*te won't be the likes of Williams, McCauley or Thompson!

Rant over.

[rubberbond]

Profit sharing is the new name for colleague shares , I’ve still got the certificates, they’re probably worth more

[neviboss]

as Noel said deal or NO deal, which when you consider how crap the deal offered is, but why are we talking about 2% next year?
Is the onion that stupid, a 2 year pay deal is a waste of time.

And yes, I do mean onion, because they make me cry!

[BigSacks]

The bottom line is a losing battle is sometimes worth fighting but on occasion you have to stem the tide and take as few casualties as you can in order to keep yourself in the game.

Thompson and the like will leave, it is the nature of private business. The only change that will make this company succeed for all of us is a change of director level approach, fresh ideas and genuine innovation and direction.
That, for me, is the only genuine hope Royal Mail and us have of a decent, long-term future.
Until then, we keep ourselves in the game.

Sorry but that's just pathetic.

Put up with a terrible deal now in the vague hope that at some unspecified time in the future we'll get an unspecified better deal, somehow?

No thanks.

What sort of “deal” were you realistically expecting?
Seriously.
A year of negotiations with an at times intransigent employer who could take part of the company to the wall.

Sometimes the arguments are like those of a Bristol City fan pissed off with another year without Champions League glory.

I’m happy to discuss merits and poor decisions on both sides but there has to be a realistic starting point.
And I’m afraid 1996 isn’t it.

[sindba]

The bottom line is a losing battle is sometimes worth fighting but on occasion you have to stem the tide and take as few casualties as you can in order to keep yourself in the game.

Thompson and the like will leave, it is the nature of private business. The only change that will make this company succeed for all of us is a change of director level approach, fresh ideas and genuine innovation and direction.
That, for me, is the only genuine hope Royal Mail and us have of a decent, long-term future.
Until then, we keep ourselves in the game.

Sorry but that's just pathetic.

Put up with a terrible deal now in the vague hope that at some unspecified time in the future we'll get an unspecified better deal, somehow?

No thanks.

What sort of “deal” were you realistically expecting?
Seriously.
A year of negotiations with an at times intransigent employer who could take part of the company to the wall.

Sometimes the arguments are like those of a Bristol City fan pissed off with another year without Champions League glory.

I’m happy to discuss merits and poor decisions on both sides but there has to be a realistic starting point.
And I’m afraid 1996 isn’t it.

OK so let's discuss the merits. After you....

[ninja22]

I can't vote yes when I haven't got all the information I need. It's far too vague about how to reduce time from indoor prep, our starting and finishing times and no real information on 30 minute flex. There's too many things that are depending on a review or trial at some point in the near future. So until I have all the facts I will have to vote No.

[77SAMPOST77]

Pathetic deal , vote no .

[eastie]

The deal is cr*p

[enskied]

I’m probably not going to vote not happy at all, but can’t keep battling the system. I’m afraid as this strike went on it became obvious it was as much about protection of the CWU in the workplace and not their members demands. Can’t knock our union rep at all I’m just afraid those at the top are too removed from reality!

Why not vote at all. ? It doesn't help either way.

[ANDREW CROCOMBE]

Reverse the pathetic revisions at once, and give us rounds we can finish (like 5 weeks ago) Start hour later, what 8am or later - to finish at 4-430 ?
Obviously it's gonna be no sick pay for first 3 days, and management are turning the screw on attendance records and performance. DPR going out of our D/O budget - what, to Parcel Force who have a % of owner drivers. Probable closure of callers offices so we can keep redelivering until the clowns decide to be home, and awake. Sounds bloody great, but I can see people blindly voting for the £500, unable to see how s**t the jobs will be. Voting NO

[sixfoottwo]

Reverse the pathetic revisions at once, and give us rounds we can finish (like 5 weeks ago) Start hour later, what 8am or later - to finish at 4-430 ?
Obviously it's gonna be no sick pay for first 3 days, and management are turning the screw on attendance records and performance. DPR going out of our D/O budget - what, to Parcel Force who have a % of owner drivers. Probable closure of callers offices so we can keep redelivering until the clowns decide to be home, and awake. Sounds bloody great, but I can see people blindly voting for the £500, unable to see how s**t the jobs will be. Voting NO

No chance, not even the money hungry idiots will when they realise after tax etc it's nowhere near the paltry £500.

Vote No.

[Poppyellie69]

I'm voting no,this turkeys not voting for crimbo!!