RMCtv : Ricky McAulay : Our updated pay offer to CWU : CWU reject Royal Mail Group pay offer - An update from Terry Pullinger DGSP

[SpacePhoenix]

That might be part of it. Im not sure how many still get tpm. Bit of a stretch to get a van to go to the mpus each day to tpm them though. I cant get a van once a week to go and do the engineering routines on early shift.

Unless they transferred to the local MC and do machine work there, the ex MPU staff won't be getting TPM anymore as IIRC pay protection lasts a max of 3 years. If you do machine work as duty (not as OT or SA) then you get TPM. I believe that there's no TPM tasks on a PSM, don't know about a FSM.

@charlatans if your MC has got either a PSM or FSM are there any tasks that could be made into TPM?

[aiden01]

That might be part of it. Im not sure how many still get tpm. Bit of a stretch to get a van to go to the mpus each day to tpm them though. I cant get a van once a week to go and do the engineering routines on early shift.

Unless they transferred to the local MC and do machine work there, the ex MPU staff won't be getting TPM anymore as IIRC pay protection lasts a max of 3 years. If you do machine work as duty (not as OT or SA) then you get TPM. I believe that there's no TPM tasks on a PSM, don't know about a FSM.

@charlatans if your MC has got either a PSM or FSM are there any tasks that could be made into TPM?

Tpm is paid on fsm.

[SpacePhoenix]

That might be part of it. Im not sure how many still get tpm. Bit of a stretch to get a van to go to the mpus each day to tpm them though. I cant get a van once a week to go and do the engineering routines on early shift.

Unless they transferred to the local MC and do machine work there, the ex MPU staff won't be getting TPM anymore as IIRC pay protection lasts a max of 3 years. If you do machine work as duty (not as OT or SA) then you get TPM. I believe that there's no TPM tasks on a PSM, don't know about a FSM.

@charlatans if your MC has got either a PSM or FSM are there any tasks that could be made into TPM?

Tpm is paid on fsm.

Vaccing it out only or are you allowed to replace any belts (either putting new ones in or putting a belt back into place that's popped off)?

[kevbo]

To answer some points :

There are 4 DRP processes in play at the moment. The CWU one on no strings pay and then Royal Mails on 1. pay with conditions , 2. Pipeline change to 346 Delivery Offices. 3. Who clears the machine breakdowns in the future on parcel machines other automation.

The DRP process requires both parties to be committed to talks to resolve these.

Even when the four weeks are up there will still need to be negotiations.

Members validation is always going to take longer when you have 1400 workplaces some with no reps and 120 thousand members.

However one this is correct then we have to confirm to Royal Mail the numbers we are balloting in each workplace so it is important the details are accurate.

In terms or some kind of game , i don’t agree to that Royal Mail have proposed a lot of what they put in the mediation report in 2018 and some new attacks on terms and conditions.

This is why we are now considering a second ballot as Royal Mail could decide at some stage to introduce some of these changes without agreement. The Pay ballot cannot be used to oppose the conditions Royal Mail want.

CWU can continue negotiating but they have had 4 weeks to organise a ballot in the meantime. Minds might become a bit more focused once a ballot and strike action is announced.

[aiden01]

That might be part of it. Im not sure how many still get tpm. Bit of a stretch to get a van to go to the mpus each day to tpm them though. I cant get a van once a week to go and do the engineering routines on early shift.

Unless they transferred to the local MC and do machine work there, the ex MPU staff won't be getting TPM anymore as IIRC pay protection lasts a max of 3 years. If you do machine work as duty (not as OT or SA) then you get TPM. I believe that there's no TPM tasks on a PSM, don't know about a FSM.

@charlatans if your MC has got either a PSM or FSM are there any tasks that could be made into TPM?

Tpm is paid on fsm.

Vaccing it out only or are you allowed to replace any belts (either putting new ones in or putting a belt back into place that's popped off)?

Not sure but def know tpm is paid.

[charlatans]

Aint no tpm on psm.

[SpacePhoenix]

Aint no tpm on psm.

Nothing that'll ever be suitable for TPM on a PSM?

[charlatans]

These machines are new to me but there is no tpm stuff as far as i know. There aint no belts that can be put on as they are more like conveyors. I could be wrong though as we have just got one recently. Seems like automation without involvement. Wrong way to go from the way i look at it. It aint good gettin radioed to a fault at a machine when nobody's givin a f**k whether its runnin or not.

[SpacePhoenix]

These machines are new to me but there is no tpm stuff as far as i know. There aint no belts that can be put on as they are more like conveyors. I could be wrong though as we have just got one recently. Seems like automation without involvement. Wrong way to go from the way i look at it. It aint good gettin radioed to a fault at a machine when nobody's givin a f**k whether its runnin or not.

Sounds like most stuff engineers have to fix on PSMs can take a fair bit of time, tying up the engineer for a while. If we had one then we could get machines down for ages as we only have 1 engineer on shift. Are they any regular maintenance tasks on a PSM that could be made TPM or does the safety aspect mean that any maintenance tasks can only ever be engineers only?

The glitch with the CSSs can take a bit of time to fix if it's not caught in time. It's the one where it suddenly starts chucking everything out of stacker 20 and doesn't stop when stacker 20 gets full. If not caught in time you get a mega jam all the way along the machine and it pops the drive belt off. It always needs the engineer to reboot the machine and change some settings (they log into the machine in engineer mode)

In the past I've had the drive belt come off, apart from one time it's always been caused by the green cards. Tends to be 20mins plus for the engineer to get the drive belt back on.

At least with CSS and iLSMs the belts below the main plate are strictly engineer only ones. The ones above we can put back on ourselves unless it's in a place where an engineer is needed to temporarily remove something to gain access to it (sometimes if a jam occurs in the MOD of an iLSM (the bit with the yellow rollers).

Are you having to reboot the CSSs more frequently with screen lockups? Ours seem like the screens are locking up a lot more often. Occasionally we need the engineer to reboot the camera when it suddenly can't read the green cards

[Woody Guthrie]

I won’t go into the detail and those of you saying the union was scare mongering will be able to Judge this when you see what Royal Mail want to deploy on the following :

The danger Martin is that you paint such a bleak picture that the members think strike action is pointless because Royal Mail will deploy these changes no matter what we do.

This is a negotiation process so the members have to believe that at some point a negotiated settlement will be made otherwise we're all wasting our time.

Your strategy is and has always in previous disputes based on the idea that painting the worst possible scenario will result in the strongest response to an IA ballot, it may still work but I suspect this is an outdated idea.

Royal Mail have changed their strategy this time, usually they'll try to downplay any changes and the impact they might have, now they appear to be adapting the same strategy you are using and are now using it against you.

The members need hope and honesty , they need to think the union can deliver while at the same time manage their expectations if they're to commit to strike action.

At the moment all they are getting from both sides is bad news. Royal Mail seem happy with this situation , that means I'm not.

[charlatans]

Pretty much agree with what you said and they do need s lot of reboots due to lockups.

[denhamhoop]

That might be part of it. Im not sure how many still get tpm. Bit of a stretch to get a van to go to the mpus each day to tpm them though. I cant get a van once a week to go and do the engineering routines on early shift.

Unless they transferred to the local MC and do machine work there, the ex MPU staff won't be getting TPM anymore as IIRC pay protection lasts a max of 3 years. If you do machine work as duty (not as OT or SA) then you get TPM. I believe that there's no TPM tasks on a PSM, don't know about a FSM.

@charlatans if your MC has got either a PSM or FSM are there any tasks that could be made into TPM?

Tpm is paid on fsm.

Vaccing it out only or are you allowed to replace any belts (either putting new ones in or putting a belt back into place that's popped off)?

TPM is paid on a FSM not just for hoovering the machine but also for clearing jams and ensuring the machine runs smoothly just the same as on iLSMs LSM's and IMPs. PSM does not attract TPM so basically anything goes wrong it will be by and large be internally which means an engineer will be required to fix it

[smartin1982]

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[ted_e_bear]

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Easy mistake, I've got a bit confused with all this talk of a FSM, iLSM, LSM, IMP, PSM, TPM