Postal workers: Organise to stop the retreat!

[aiden01]

Valentina and Enskied one of the problems with this type of social media is individuals in an anonymous basis can attack someone who simply posted a fact or have a different opinion.

I been on this site since it’s beginning and have had many a debate or disagreement but the level of genuine debate and listening to each other is the worst I have experienced.

Possibly due to the deal being the worst ever imagined ??

I been a rep far to long to be bullied. The problem sometimes is this becomes an echo chamber and clearly there were reasons why the majority of members voted for the deal.

Possibly due to the immense doomsday scenario you and the CWU constantly pushed ??

It was not the greatest deal but the alternative was and is still far worse.

Purely speculation and scaremongering by the corrupt CWU.

So for clarity there are 117 thousand possible members in Royal Mail as of June 2022 and out that number there was 104 000 CWU members. There are 80 thousand staff attached to delivery units.

2022 was 13 months ago ??

Jesus your smart.he does say for clarity as of june 2022. Or just ignore that part

[LouBarlow]

Valentina and Enskied one of the problems with this type of social media is individuals in an anonymous basis can attack someone who simply posted a fact or have a different opinion.

I been on this site since it’s beginning and have had many a debate or disagreement but the level of genuine debate and listening to each other is the worst I have experienced.

Possibly due to the deal being the worst ever imagined ??

I been a rep far to long to be bullied. The problem sometimes is this becomes an echo chamber and clearly there were reasons why the majority of members voted for the deal.

Possibly due to the immense doomsday scenario you and the CWU constantly pushed ??

It was not the greatest deal but the alternative was and is still far worse.

Purely speculation and scaremongering by the corrupt CWU.

So for clarity there are 117 thousand possible members in Royal Mail as of June 2022 and out that number there was 104 000 CWU members. There are 80 thousand staff attached to delivery units.

2022 was 13 months ago ??

I’m pretty sure it was yes.

[Valentina@1]

June 2022….Jesus

[postslippete]

However, some of the guys on the shop floor voted yes because they thought the Union would look at the revisions like they promised.

I think the mistake you make throughout your post pete is in the definition of "the union".

The union isn't Dave Ward or Andy Furey.
It isn't anyone at HQ.

It's us.

Like all unions It's a bottom up structure which means the responsibility to fix revisions starts with us local reps and then through the branch structure to divisional level eventually if all else fails landing on the doorstep of the national officers.

Unless the process starts with us it goes nowhere.

Our revision works because we were invloved, pushed back on their ridiculous proposals to change attendance patterns and start times and ultimately threatened them with a rule 13 ballot with support from our branch.

I'm a rep but still a postie on a shared van duty like everyone else, the changes impact on me as much as anyone.

If you look at the previous post by postieblueshirt Woody, it sort of justifies what I was saying as many units have no rep on the shop floor. Others have a rep like ours but they clearly can't be very good at their job because the revisions haven't changed and mail is still failing on a daily basis! lol. How would we know if delivery failures are being accurately reported? Is it something the managers have to report or is the rep involved?

This rule 13 ballot. Could you explain how that works because I thought it was a call for a local branch to authorise and endorse industrial action, including strike action? Are you saying that offices could still do that even though there has been a national agreement?

[Martin Walsh]

Apologies the data was from June 2023.

This shows that there were according to Royal Mail’s pay roll records 117534 thousand staff employed in CWU Grades and the total CWU membership was 104812 meaning that 10% was non members.

The fall to earth across the 10 regions is different.

Anglia had 11% non members
London had 7% non members
Midlands had 11%
North East 14%
North West 14%
Northern Ireland 16%
Scotland 14%
South East 10%
South West 14%
Thames Valley 12%
Wales 10%

So the figures I gave are accurate up to the end of June 2023.

There is a retention crisis with approximately 220 leavers every week. There are hotspots of retention particularly in units close to airports where there are surplus jobs to be had.

However let’s be clear this company is in a real crisis , due to a combination of traffic decline , loss of revenue , no vision for growth and a demoralised workforce.

The future of Royal Mail is still to be played out , but if anyone believed that some of the plans would not have been in this agreement if you either took strike action or voted no then you did not fully understand why Royal Mail took on the union and it members.

Sadly the growth in Royal Mail is in larger parcels and Sundays. Yet the majority of our members don’t want to do that growth in work. So Royal Mail were either going to compel you to do that work or it was going to recruit a cheaper flexible workforce to perform the work we did not want to perform.

Yes we achieve that Sundays and moving to perform Dedicated parcels would be voluntary.

However in the future that will mean that the core delivery workload will reduce. Why smaller parcels are not growing as fast and letters will continue to decline and if they ever achieve the savings they want on inward methods then the delivery job will continue to reduce.

All larger parcels by next March will be done from circa 346 Delivery Hubs which will connect with the LAT product from circa 11 to 8 Monday to Saturday.

Yes we need a change in the USO as even now we are spreading work over 6 days which means we reducing jobs across the week and dropping one day will mean that we sure up days like Monday which will become even light when track 48 is done on a Sunday.

I believe that the reason for the yes vote was a combination of factors but I do believe that whenever members were explained the reasons behind the deal and indeed the risks of no deal then the they supported the agreement. That is not to say there are not real issues which we need to get right and we are working hard to now including trying to improve on the up to 60 minutes later starts.

However there are clearly Royal Mail managers intent on pushing ahead with unacceptable change even thou their results worsen the quality and finances of the agreement but does anyone believe they would have stopped if you had vote no or if we had not got an agreement.

The union at every level has to work to ensure we get the best from this agreement as without change this company is finished along with our members future jobs.

[toonshola]

Apologies the data was from June 2023.

This shows that there were according to Royal Mail’s pay roll records 117534 thousand staff employed in CWU Grades and the total CWU membership was 104812 meaning that 10% was non members.

The fall to earth across the 10 regions is different.

Anglia had 11% non members
London had 7% non members
Midlands had 11%
North East 14%
North West 14%
Northern Ireland 16%
Scotland 14%
South East 10%
South West 14%
Thames Valley 12%
Wales 10%

So the figures I gave are accurate up to the end of June 2023.

There is a retention crisis with approximately 220 leavers every week. There are hotspots of retention particularly in units close to airports where there are surplus jobs to be had.

However let’s be clear this company is in a real crisis , due to a combination of traffic decline , loss of revenue , no vision for growth and a demoralised workforce.

The future of Royal Mail is still to be played out , but if anyone believed that some of the plans would not have been in this agreement if you either took strike action or voted no then you did not fully understand why Royal Mail took on the union and it members.

Sadly the growth in Royal Mail is in larger parcels and Sundays. Yet the majority of our members don’t want to do that growth in work. So Royal Mail were either going to compel you to do that work or it was going to recruit a cheaper flexible workforce to perform the work we did not want to perform.

Yes we achieve that Sundays and moving to perform Dedicated parcels would be voluntary.

However in the future that will mean that the core delivery workload will reduce. Why smaller parcels are not growing as fast and letters will continue to decline and if they ever achieve the savings they want on inward methods then the delivery job will continue to reduce.

All larger parcels by next March will be done from circa 346 Delivery Hubs which will connect with the LAT product from circa 11 to 8 Monday to Saturday.

Yes we need a change in the USO as even now we are spreading work over 6 days which means we reducing jobs across the week and dropping one day will mean that we sure up days like Monday which will become even light when track 48 is done on a Sunday.

I believe that the reason for the yes vote was a combination of factors but I do believe that whenever members were explained the reasons behind the deal and indeed the risks of no deal then the they supported the agreement. That is not to say there are not real issues which we need to get right and we are working hard to now including trying to improve on the up to 60 minutes later starts.

However there are clearly Royal Mail managers intent on pushing ahead with unacceptable change even thou their results worsen the quality and finances of the agreement but does anyone believe they would have stopped if you had vote no or if we had not got an agreement.

The union at every level has to work to ensure we get the best from this agreement as without change this company is finished along with our members future jobs.

This keeps being said by the business and now the union and I agree it’s probably needed. But the government has already rejected this proposal a couple of times recently so what’s the plan? Are the union and Royal Mail going to jointly approach the government and ask for this change?
Or has it already been approved behind the scenes for some future date and we are being kept in the dark?

[Woody Guthrie]

I can't see a government looking likely to be kicked out in possibly less than 12 months making an unpopular decision to cut the USO.

It's a bit like Dr Beeching with the railways in the 60s or Ian Macgregor with the coal board and British Steel in the 80s and 90s.

Nobody wants their name to be forever connected with cutting services even if it's necessary.

They'll just kick it down the road and let Labour deal with it, that would obviously place Labour in a difficult position. One minute they're calling for nationalisation the next they're cutting the USO.

Not a good look.

[Acca Dacca]

I can't see a government looking likely to be kicked out in possibly less than 12 months making an unpopular decision to cut the USO.

It's a bit like Dr Beeching with the railways in the 60s or Ian Macgregor with the coal board and British Steel in the 80s and 90s.

Nobody wants their name to be forever connected with cutting services even if it's necessary.

They'll just kick it down the road and let Labour deal with it, that would obviously place Labour in a difficult position. One minute they're calling for nationalisation the next they're cutting the USO.

Not a good look.

Not a good look to who though? Evidently the majority of the general public dont care and now our union leaders dont care either.

[Mickeybrowneyes]

Apologies the data was from June 2023.

This shows that there were according to Royal Mail’s pay roll records 117534 thousand staff employed in CWU Grades and the total CWU membership was 104812 meaning that 10% was non members.

The fall to earth across the 10 regions is different.

Anglia had 11% non members
London had 7% non members
Midlands had 11%
North East 14%
North West 14%
Northern Ireland 16%
Scotland 14%
South East 10%
South West 14%
Thames Valley 12%
Wales 10%

So the figures I gave are accurate up to the end of June 2023.

There is a retention crisis with approximately 220 leavers every week. There are hotspots of retention particularly in units close to airports where there are surplus jobs to be had.

However let’s be clear this company is in a real crisis , due to a combination of traffic decline , loss of revenue , no vision for growth and a demoralised workforce.

The future of Royal Mail is still to be played out , but if anyone believed that some of the plans would not have been in this agreement if you either took strike action or voted no then you did not fully understand why Royal Mail took on the union and it members.

Sadly the growth in Royal Mail is in larger parcels and Sundays. Yet the majority of our members don’t want to do that growth in work. So Royal Mail were either going to compel you to do that work or it was going to recruit a cheaper flexible workforce to perform the work we did not want to perform.

Yes we achieve that Sundays and moving to perform Dedicated parcels would be voluntary.

However in the future that will mean that the core delivery workload will reduce. Why smaller parcels are not growing as fast and letters will continue to decline and if they ever achieve the savings they want on inward methods then the delivery job will continue to reduce.

All larger parcels by next March will be done from circa 346 Delivery Hubs which will connect with the LAT product from circa 11 to 8 Monday to Saturday.

Yes we need a change in the USO as even now we are spreading work over 6 days which means we reducing jobs across the week and dropping one day will mean that we sure up days like Monday which will become even light when track 48 is done on a Sunday.

I believe that the reason for the yes vote was a combination of factors but I do believe that whenever members were explained the reasons behind the deal and indeed the risks of no deal then the they supported the agreement. That is not to say there are not real issues which we need to get right and we are working hard to now including trying to improve on the up to 60 minutes later starts.

However there are clearly Royal Mail managers intent on pushing ahead with unacceptable change even thou their results worsen the quality and finances of the agreement but does anyone believe they would have stopped if you had vote no or if we had not got an agreement.

The union at every level has to work to ensure we get the best from this agreement as without change this company is finished along with our members future jobs.

The single parcel network and parcel delivery on a Sunday makes sense in terms of being able to compete.
The problem is they are not as efficient as going out on CDVs so they are hammering the walks with extra work and planning to fail.
Surely at some point they will have to spend a penny to make a pound.
From what I've seen the whole operation becomes less productive when they split the work.
Satellite delivery offices are getting battered with delivery points because they have to fund the DPRs.
Even then the DPRs struggle.
I don't see how this vision of Royal Mail will help them financially.
I agree it is time to shrink the USO by a day now but then they should reinvest some of the savings into making the deliveries achievable again.
New starters are leaving before the kettle is put on at the minute.
Quality of service will never pick up if this revolving door of PT entrants continues.
If thirty year men can't complete, what chance have they got.
Also the company still seems hellbent on taking away innovative duty patterns like four day weeks.
I know it's protected in the agreement but it's clear they hate any pattern apart from 1 over 6.
It's patterns like these on the DPRs that will attract bods to pick them up as well as people searching for jobs.
It's an own goal by Royal Mail to constantly attack this.
Studies prove that productivity goes up too.

[Valentina@1]

Well said