Why have no strike dates been announced

[aiden01]

Why are some people so fixated on striking??

Why are some people so readily willing to accept a s**t deal because of the £1500 lump sum?

Not what i asked so i will try again.. WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE SO FIXATED ON STRIKING..

We've been in talks for months on and off that have resulted in this latest proposal. Completely garbage one at that in my eyes, what do you expect us to do other than strike?
We've been given the run around, all the while RM are bulldozing changes. How do you recommend getting a good deal? Keep talking until this time next year? We want a deal now, the CWU have met them more than half way. They fecked the company up why should we bend over anymore?

Still giving us the run around an bulldozing changes in even after 18 strike days ..do you honestly think any more strikes will change anything.

[Seymour Buts]

Only the seniors on the postal executive can actually answer, but because a deal is fairly close would be my guess. Strike now and the company probably pulls the offer on the table citing the cost, and months and months of negotiations are down the drain. Added to that, I don't get the impression there's a great appetite for striking from either the workforce or the union. Purely anecdotally of course, but talking to people I think people are both financially and emotionally exhausted by it all. Regardless, the deal needs to go to members. Let us decide, and then whatever the outcome the union can't be accused of frustrating the process and not representing us members.

[Schiff]

Only the seniors on the postal executive can actually answer, but because a deal is fairly close would be my guess. Strike now and the company probably pulls the offer on the table citing the cost, and months and months of negotiations are down the drain. Added to that, I don't get the impression there's a great appetite for striking from either the workforce or the union. Purely anecdotally of course, but talking to people I think people are both financially and emotionally exhausted by it all. Regardless, the deal needs to go to members. Let us decide, and then whatever the outcome the union can't be accused of frustrating the process and not representing us members.

If a deal was close then surely RM wouldn't be publishing their nonsense proposals, which surely couldn't even vaguely resemble any deal that the union would consider putting to the membership.

We are clearly nowhere near a deal and the CWU are simply clueless. They don't dare call a strike because they played that card all wrong in the run up to christmas. They can't put the current proposals to members bacause they would lose thousands of the membership who would make up for the pay cut by stopping their subs. The current union leadership are all mouth and no trousers.

[Kenfandango]

What would hit RM more was if they kept ANNOUNCING strikes, and calling them off the night before, leaving RM to pay us and all the casuals plus bonus payments for managers and hire vans. The "I want a strike day to go fishing" brigade wouldn't like it but neither would management.
I think if we'd gone on a 2-3 week strike at the start of this we'd have got a deal, but RM would still be forcing things through now claiming the business has changed. We'd be in the same boat, somehow

[Acca Dacca]

Only the seniors on the postal executive can actually answer, but because a deal is fairly close would be my guess. Strike now and the company probably pulls the offer on the table citing the cost, and months and months of negotiations are down the drain. Added to that, I don't get the impression there's a great appetite for striking from either the workforce or the union. Purely anecdotally of course, but talking to people I think people are both financially and emotionally exhausted by it all. Regardless, the deal needs to go to members. Let us decide, and then whatever the outcome the union can't be accused of frustrating the process and not representing us members.

If a deal was close then surely RM wouldn't be publishing their nonsense proposals, which surely couldn't even vaguely resemble any deal that the union would consider putting to the membership.

We are clearly nowhere near a deal and the CWU are simply clueless. They don't dare call a strike because they played that card all wrong in the run up to christmas. They can't put the current proposals to members bacause they would lose thousands of the membership who would make up for the pay cut by stopping their subs. The current union leadership are all mouth and no trousers.

What would your next move be?

[Flashman_]

The time for the one or two day strikes are over. In hindsight they never had a chance of working because this company wants to blame the members for all the company losses and failings, so they can go to the gov and plead poverty, to get the USO killed or cutback, and or impose gig economics into our jobs.

Whatever we do will not likely make any difference. The company has had a plan right though the dispute.They actually do not really want or need a resolution. If they get the Union to give in, as now seems to be the direction we are going, its a win for them. If we start striking again they will blame the union for whatever comes next, which also suits them because they clearly have a plan in mind for that situation too.

If the company is happy to see more strikes and no resolution as I feel, then what can we actually do about it?

Our last chance of anything coming out of this in our favour is to announce a strikes for at least a whole month, at a time. This will hopefully force the company to show their hand, and bring far more scrutiny by the government and the public. We may then see what RM are actually up to.
In short We need to fall their bluff.
This may be the nuclear option but I would rather go down fighting than let those scum have it all their way.

I understand many will find this option totally untenable, for a variety of reasons, but all I am suggesting is that we must be as ruthless as they are, and be prepared to suffer in somewhat dissimilar way to how the company has been prepared to "suffer",just so they can ratify the "our company to run" mentality.

[k979aaa]

Your asking a month most will not do a week sorry to say this the is not 1984-1985 never going to happen!

[SWIM]

a week, yes .. a month, zero chance.

[world class male]

a months overtime ban wouldn't be a bad idea but ward & co know better
rm hit our area with one and it was carnage even when not too busy and soon backed down, but well done cwu hq in refusing the option and now backed us into a corner with no idea what to do next other than try for 25/26 pay deal

[k979aaa]

a week, yes .. a month, zero chance.

We don't just call strikes for the publicity but to get people to negotiate with we have that at this time they may have walked away from the talks but are still in communication we can use back channels ie the mediators in the talks. Thing is why would you burn your bridges and boats all for the sake of time!

[Shadedpostie]

The time for the one or two day strikes are over. In hindsight they never had a chance of working because this company wants to blame the members for all the company losses and failings, so they can go to the gov and plead poverty, to get the USO killed or cutback, and or impose gig economics into our jobs.

Whatever we do will not likely make any difference. The company has had a plan right though the dispute.They actually do not really want or need a resolution. If they get the Union to give in, as now seems to be the direction we are going, its a win for them. If we start striking again they will blame the union for whatever comes next, which also suits them because they clearly have a plan in mind for that situation too.

If the company is happy to see more strikes and no resolution as I feel, then what can we actually do about it?

Our last chance of anything coming out of this in our favour is to announce a strikes for at least a whole month, at a time. This will hopefully force the company to show their hand, and bring far more scrutiny by the government and the public. We may then see what RM are actually up to.
In short We need to fall their bluff.
This may be the nuclear option but I would rather go down fighting than let those scum have it all their way.

I understand many will find this option totally untenable, for a variety of reasons, but all I am suggesting is that we must be as ruthless as they are, and be prepared to suffer in somewhat dissimilar way to how the company has been prepared to "suffer",just so they can ratify the "our company to run" mentality.

Yeah no. The only people that would go under scrutiny if you even entertained a month's strike would be us by both public and the government. It would be suicide and the majority would not last that long, they would actually leave if it came it that cuz that amount of money lost would not be worth the reward at the end of it if it's not already.

[needadvice]

a week, yes .. a month, zero chance.

I don't think a week will make much difference for RM. Fire needs to be met with fire, not a matchstick. Lets say, once RM "survive" the one week strike, then is that our last bullet? Then what? They would probably be glad because they know one week would be a manageable one off with a diminished threat and thirst for more and it would be a weak final response no matter if people cannot afford to strike for longer or not, one week would be a weak reply this late into the dispute. But one month would be something very catastrophic at any time of the year

[LouBarlow]

Suggesting a week or even more laughably a month of strikes is beyond parody at this point. How much money do you need to lose? Already we have lost enough to make any potential pay-rise swallowed up by the time already spent on the picket line. Maybe if you don’t have a family to feed or a house to pay for you could do it, but the majority of posties don’t live with their parents so can’t afford this. This is all the while ignoring the fact that both the union and RM agree that future strikes will likely hasten the demise of the company. So, yeah losing money and ultimately your job sounds like not really the wisest of moves.

[redrobbo]

I think DW and co don't know what to do for the best previous strikes didn't work as expected a month no chance even a week would force people to go back could we try a work to rule ie doing the job properly start on time walk instead of running take breaks don't work day off or do any o/t of any kind

[FilthyBloke]

I think DW and co don't know what to do for the best previous strikes didn't work as expected a month no chance even a week would force people to go back could we try a work to rule ie doing the job properly start on time walk instead of running take breaks don't work day off or do any o/t of any kind

That should have been first imo. And then the strikes.
But you’re right, I’m not sure DW has a clear plan now.