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When will it end endless talkin

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Pidleypoo
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Re: When will it end endless talkin

Post by Pidleypoo »

guardianangel wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 05:47
Acca Dacca wrote:
20 Mar 2023, 22:48
guardianangel wrote:
20 Mar 2023, 21:08
norris9 wrote:
20 Mar 2023, 15:31
Just tell the government Royal Mail is going under if we don't go to a 5 day letter service.

Lose staff through natural wastage, or voluntary redundancy, no compulsory redundancies.

Posties work a 5 day week Mon-Fri.

Overtime on weekends and/or get in weekend staff.

No change to start times.

Reduce the amount of line managers as they do barely anything or make them do more work. Standing around too much during the morning, standing around too much at the end of the day when there's plenty of door2doors that people are behind on due to lack of time/staff. Why aren't they putting them into our frames instead of hanging around chatting.
letters wont be mon to fri,its more likely to be tue to sat
Based on what? Businesses are generally open Mon-Fri and closed Saturdays so why would it be Tue-Sat?
Monday is now the quietest day of the week with very little mail,firms drivers may have a skeleton shift for specials and important mail the rest of us Saturday is the best day to deliver mail,watch this space.
It’s Saturday letter they want to drop , they’ve stated it multiple times.

How have you got the Monday ?
guardianangel
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Re: When will it end endless talkin

Post by guardianangel »

Pidleypoo wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 13:09
guardianangel wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 05:47
Acca Dacca wrote:
20 Mar 2023, 22:48
guardianangel wrote:
20 Mar 2023, 21:08
norris9 wrote:
20 Mar 2023, 15:31
Just tell the government Royal Mail is going under if we don't go to a 5 day letter service.

Lose staff through natural wastage, or voluntary redundancy, no compulsory redundancies.

Posties work a 5 day week Mon-Fri.

Overtime on weekends and/or get in weekend staff.

No change to start times.

Reduce the amount of line managers as they do barely anything or make them do more work. Standing around too much during the morning, standing around too much at the end of the day when there's plenty of door2doors that people are behind on due to lack of time/staff. Why aren't they putting them into our frames instead of hanging around chatting.
letters wont be mon to fri,its more likely to be tue to sat
Based on what? Businesses are generally open Mon-Fri and closed Saturdays so why would it be Tue-Sat?
Monday is now the quietest day of the week with very little mail,firms drivers may have a skeleton shift for specials and important mail the rest of us Saturday is the best day to deliver mail,watch this space.
It’s Saturday letter they want to drop , they’ve stated it multiple times.

How have you got the Monday ?
Its not definitely saturday its just a 5 day service not 6
Rommagic
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Re: When will it end endless talkin

Post by Rommagic »

End the talks today cwu everything is coming in.
Duesouth
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Re: When will it end endless talkin

Post by Duesouth »

Never 💀 The business has already pushed everyone over the edge, unachievable workloads, times changed, break times changed, new starts on worse contracts than ours, coms are saying every one is not pulling there weight, more understaffed than during the covid times.

No thanks from any one including customers complaining about that they haven't had mail in days and NHS appointments being missed because no one can get there finger out and actually agree on something. Both parties have doomed us all.
Pidleypoo
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Re: When will it end endless talkin

Post by Pidleypoo »

guardianangel wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 15:32
Pidleypoo wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 13:09
guardianangel wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 05:47
Acca Dacca wrote:
20 Mar 2023, 22:48
guardianangel wrote:
20 Mar 2023, 21:08
norris9 wrote:
20 Mar 2023, 15:31
Just tell the government Royal Mail is going under if we don't go to a 5 day letter service.

Lose staff through natural wastage, or voluntary redundancy, no compulsory redundancies.

Posties work a 5 day week Mon-Fri.

Overtime on weekends and/or get in weekend staff.

No change to start times.

Reduce the amount of line managers as they do barely anything or make them do more work. Standing around too much during the morning, standing around too much at the end of the day when there's plenty of door2doors that people are behind on due to lack of time/staff. Why aren't they putting them into our frames instead of hanging around chatting.
letters wont be mon to fri,its more likely to be tue to sat
Based on what? Businesses are generally open Mon-Fri and closed Saturdays so why would it be Tue-Sat?
Monday is now the quietest day of the week with very little mail,firms drivers may have a skeleton shift for specials and important mail the rest of us Saturday is the best day to deliver mail,watch this space.
It’s Saturday letter they want to drop , they’ve stated it multiple times.

How have you got the Monday ?
Its not definitely saturday its just a 5 day service not 6
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Yes it’s definitely Saturday.

Remind me what day they stopped letter deliveries during covid again ? Royal Mail have stated it’ll be a Saturday lots and lots of times so I’ve no idea why you’re saying it won’t be.
Nickvilla20
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Re: When will it end endless talkin

Post by Nickvilla20 »

The government and the regulator are more likely to agree dropping the USO on a Saturday. Then Royal Mail can charge a premium rate for weekend delivery’s like they already do with Saturday guaranteed.

You would only need a 1/4 of the staff on a Saturday if you are only delivering tracked and specials. No deliveries, No box collections just premium products.
redlen
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Re: When will it end endless talkin

Post by redlen »

Special Delivery Items are part of the USO so must include Saturday delivery
Nickvilla20
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Re: When will it end endless talkin

Post by Nickvilla20 »

redlen wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 20:18
Special Delivery Items are part of the USO so must include Saturday delivery
Saturday guaranteed is already a weekend premium product as it’s the only service which has a guaranteed Saturday delivery.

Normal specials on a Saturday don’t even have to be delivered by 1pm and if they don’t get there it’s not classed as a failure.
redlen
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Re: When will it end endless talkin

Post by redlen »

Actually Saturday guaranteed delivery by 13:00 is the premium contractual service people pay a premium,

In reality, Saturday Guaranteed is a marketing scam

If a Special Delivery posted on a Friday before final collection, there is no reason they will not deliver it Saturday Morning without the Saturday Guarantee premium
postslippete
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Re: When will it end endless talkin

Post by postslippete »

redlen wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 09:42
If the USO goes down to a five-day service, you are looking at 20,000 job cuts.
That is totally unacceptable.

Royal Mail have changed the compulsory redundancies to voluntary redundancy. And there are many posties who are more than willing to take VR whilst some have already left.

We are struggling to meet the USO now because revisions have made duties bigger and most offices are already short staffed. What's it going to be like once we have another mail day taken off? Will we still be losing over a million quid a day? :hmmmm

That would be totally unacceptable in my book.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
SpacePhoenix
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Re: When will it end endless talkin

Post by SpacePhoenix »

Nickvilla20 wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 20:49
Normal specials on a Saturday don’t even have to be delivered by 1pm and if they don’t get there it’s not classed as a failure.
Any SD posted on a Friday that's not delivered on the Saturday will be classed as having failed, whether it's a Saturday Guaranteed or not as the system doesn't record if a SD is a Saturday Guaranteed
kazardaimenu
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Re: When will it end endless talkin

Post by kazardaimenu »

After the imposed revisions do we get another imposed pay rise?
rambo1
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Re: When will it end endless talkin

Post by rambo1 »

postslippete wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 21:20
redlen wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 09:42
If the USO goes down to a five-day service, you are looking at 20,000 job cuts.
That is totally unacceptable.

Royal Mail have changed the compulsory redundancies to voluntary redundancy. And there are many posties who are more than willing to take VR whilst some have already left.

We are struggling to meet the USO now because revisions have made duties bigger and most offices are already short staffed. What's it going to be like once we have another mail day taken off? Will we still be losing over a million quid a day? :hmmmm

That would be totally unacceptable in my book.
At least 20,000 would have loved to have gone on VR. So it's only unacceptable by the Union because of the loss of all those Union fees every week.