LTB 488/22 Ballot expiry dates and new ballots :

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After 12 weeks, you can be dismissed if you take industrial action and your employer has tried to settle the dispute. For example, your employer may bring in advisers from Acas to help find a solution.

This ^^^ is not doubted, it's the law. But IMHO even if a ballot had been held before 23rd Dec (hypothetically) or with the new ballot
to be held Jan/Feb 23 I don't believe the clock for the protection from dismissal will be re-started with a new vote for
strike action - because it's a continuation of existing IA.

If there's something written down that says the protection will be reinstated every time there's a new ballot I'd be interested
to see it, as unions would make it a standard practice to revote every 12 weeks after ACAS/attempts at resolution are made.

Sorry to say it but after 23rd Dec in theory the protections probably won't be there if tested in an ET but I don't think RM
are that stupid to arbitrarily start dismissing people before Christmas.

Without doubt though the laws/regulations are not 'worker' friendly!

A reasoned response, thanks

As previosuly stated, Royal Mail are not going to dismiss before Christmas, even if the intention is there.

Disciplinary process takes months and you have to tick all the boxes in avoiding an ET. Even with dismissal you will probably be made to work your three month notice period.

[k979aaa]

Rather than insults, how about a reasoned argument if you disagree with statutory legislation?

The PEC were advised of this weeks ago yet still remain silent.

Ask yourself, why?

Why does your man insisted on change as a prerequisite for a payrise and why did the whole business go from £758 million profit to " Losing £1 million a day" and still pay shareholders and themselves?

[sindba]

Read the LTB and dont feed the troll, everyone.

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Now we move to changing the topic of debate as a deflection tactic in closing down that debate as it becomes uncomfortable with reasoned argument.

The media call such tactics "Active Measures".

[rambo1]

LTB 488/22 - ROYAL MAIL GROUP DISPUTES – RE-BALLOT TIMETABLE
No. 488/22
9th December 2022

TO: ALL POSTAL BRANCHES

Dear Colleagues
ROYAL MAIL GROUP DISPUTES – RE-BALLOT TIMETABLE

Branches and Representatives will be aware the programme of strike action held throughout November, was once again overwhelmingly supported by CWU members across Royal Mail Group. Twelve days of strike action relating to the two disputes have now taken place with further action and a national rally being held today, as well as further strikes in the lead up to Christmas.
As a consequence of the Tory Anti-Trade Union laws, there is now a legal requirement to conduct a re-ballot of our members after six months.

As previously advised, the six-month period ends on 19th January 2023 for pay and on 17th February 2023 for change.

As the focus of the disputes has now shifted to a combined set of negotiations, it is prudent to ensure a re-ballot reflects this via a single ballot to encompass both of the previous pay and change disputes. In addition, given the aggressive attitude from Royal Mail Group including the very real possibility for Compulsory Redundancies coupled with the attack on the MTSF terms, the grounds for the ballot must include job security.

The Postal Executive unanimously agreed the following re-ballot timetable after consultation with the SDGS Department:
• Serve notice – Monday 16th January 2023
• Ballot papers despatched – Monday 23rd January 2023
• Ballot closes – Monday 13th February 2023

This timetable will be announced at the national rally in Parliament Square today.
Once a ‘Yes’ vote is returned the first day of strike action could potentially commence on Monday 27th February 2023. Branches should also be aware this does not prevent strike action being taken on change up until 17th February.
The SDGS Department will be contacting Branches imminently to commence preparation for the re-ballot and Branches are requested to treat this matter as a priority.

It cannot be stated enough the current disputes do not end at Christmas and there is still pressure to be exerted in the New Year in the event that Royal Mail Group do not see sense and enter meaningful negotiations.
Branches and Representatives must therefore be sure membership engagement continues to reinforce the message that it is vital another massive ‘Yes’ vote is returned. Discussions have commenced with the Communications Department concerning the re-ballot and the New Year will see the campaign gather momentum, including a National Briefing (date to be advised).
Any enquiries on the above should be addressed to the General Secretary/Acting Deputy General Secretary (Postal) at jdunn@cwu.org/hford@cwu.org.
Yours sincerely

Dave Ward Andy Furey
General Secretary Acting Deputy General Secretary (Postal)

Look guys. Just get them to give everyone who wanted VR, the deal that they agreed would be agreeable with then in the preference exercise. Be it 5, 10 or 15,000 people. Just let everyone go who wants to, then see how many are left. I bet compulsory redundancy will not be needed. Get a cast iron solid start time/finish time (no agree to complete nonsense) into any deal. Get a realistic no strings 6-7% backdated rise. Concede that start/ finish times will have to be later. Sunday working for those who want it, but has to be at enhanced rate if it's not compulsory. Not sure how to tackle sick pay. Those genuinely sick will be more inclined to take a couple of extra days if they were ready to go back after 3 or 4 days I'm sure, under their proposal. It's hard to weed out the fraudsters.
All of this, I would accept. If you have a finish time, it's not going to matter how short staffed or how big the walks are, you won't be doing any more work than you already do, that's why that would be a must have. But please don't try and protect the jobs of all those who would like to go with a £handshake.

[rambo1]

And the current change ballot can be used to strike until 17th Feb

Yep just in time so the postal backlog will be cleared and this dispute is not about backlogs but a change in attitudes of the employer we will keep on fighting forever. Even if we get over the line another hurdle will be placed before us and it is an ongoing struggle for our rights not just as postal workers but as citizens of the nation and the world!

Backlog, what backlog? I had a mobile SIM card come in 2 days, just ordinary 1st class, not tracked. Office not as busy as normal early December. I'd say between those working overtime and days off and the agency, the strikes have made bugger all difference.

[k979aaa]

No ones stopping you going on inferior terms if you don't have the stomach for the fight leave and get some young punk on £11.00 an hour! And good luck finding another job all the best!

[Binsey]

With respect welcome to world non RM workers have to put up with.

One day the Pendulum will swing back in our favour until then buckle up everyone.

The thinking of many on here/menbership/PEC is still pre Nationalisation. That world has gone and people need to realise that… and quick.

[k979aaa]

And the current change ballot can be used to strike until 17th Feb

Yep just in time so the postal backlog will be cleared and this dispute is not about backlogs but a change in attitudes of the employer we will keep on fighting forever. Even if we get over the line another hurdle will be placed before us and it is an ongoing struggle for our rights not just as postal workers but as citizens of the nation and the world!

Backlog, what backlog? I had a mobile SIM card come in 2 days, just ordinary 1st class, not tracked. Office not as busy as normal early December. I'd say between those working overtime and days off and the agency, the strikes have made bugger all difference.

You office must be a bunch of laughs come work at a real office.

[sweepster70]

And the current change ballot can be used to strike until 17th Feb

Yep just in time so the postal backlog will be cleared and this dispute is not about backlogs but a change in attitudes of the employer we will keep on fighting forever. Even if we get over the line another hurdle will be placed before us and it is an ongoing struggle for our rights not just as postal workers but as citizens of the nation and the world!

Backlog, what backlog? I had a mobile SIM card come in 2 days, just ordinary 1st class, not tracked. Office not as busy as normal early December. I'd say between those working overtime and days off and the agency, the strikes have made bugger all difference.

I guess you're not from the North West then?

[sweepster70]

And the current change ballot can be used to strike until 17th Feb

Yep just in time so the postal backlog will be cleared and this dispute is not about backlogs but a change in attitudes of the employer we will keep on fighting forever. Even if we get over the line another hurdle will be placed before us and it is an ongoing struggle for our rights not just as postal workers but as citizens of the nation and the world!

Backlog, what backlog? I had a mobile SIM card come in 2 days, just ordinary 1st class, not tracked. Office not as busy as normal early December. I'd say between those working overtime and days off and the agency, the strikes have made bugger all difference.

I guess you're not from the North West then or just talking bullshit?

[CRIBMAD]

You can't argue with this guy! As soon as you disagree or offer a different point of view, he tells you how wrong you are or that you're insulting him. I'm getting very tired of the same lines and rhetoric in pretty much all of his posts.

The kindest word I can find is unreasonable. It's not the word I'd prefer to use but in the interests of not outright offending him I'll play by the rules of rmc.

just put the twat on your foe list ! its bliss hes a total w****r

[sweepster70]

And the current change ballot can be used to strike until 17th Feb

Yep just in time so the postal backlog will be cleared and this dispute is not about backlogs but a change in attitudes of the employer we will keep on fighting forever. Even if we get over the line another hurdle will be placed before us and it is an ongoing struggle for our rights not just as postal workers but as citizens of the nation and the world!

Backlog, what backlog? I had a mobile SIM card come in 2 days, just ordinary 1st class, not tracked. Office not as busy as normal early December. I'd say between those working overtime and days off and the agency, the strikes have made bugger all difference.

I guess you're not from the North West then or just talking bullshit? My payslip was a week late.

[rambo1]

And the current change ballot can be used to strike until 17th Feb

Yep just in time so the postal backlog will be cleared and this dispute is not about backlogs but a change in attitudes of the employer we will keep on fighting forever. Even if we get over the line another hurdle will be placed before us and it is an ongoing struggle for our rights not just as postal workers but as citizens of the nation and the world!

Backlog, what backlog? I had a mobile SIM card come in 2 days, just ordinary 1st class, not tracked. Office not as busy as normal early December. I'd say between those working overtime and days off and the agency, the strikes have made bugger all difference.

You office must be a bunch of laughs come work at a real office.

Wouldn't say it's a bunch of laughs. A lot are working tons of overtime and days off. Lots of agency doing pkts. A lot of walks being cleared every other day, one half one day, other the next. Not much backlog though.

[timbo1234]

Now the insults start as cannot argue against referenced legislation, so predictable.

Now what did I say about it being a matter of trust?

You might not care about your financial security, many others do.

After 12 weeks, you can be dismissed if you take industrial action and your employer has tried to settle the dispute. For example, your employer may bring in advisers from Acas to help find a solution.

Everything you post you appear to be very knowledgeable about everything. To me you know very little about a lot and a lot about very little. I don't know if you've heard of the term barrack room lawyer because you fit the term perfectly. Met loads in my time.