If this gets pushed through with no benefit to staff then thousands will withdraw their membership. This is last chance saloon time for the union.
Think it'll be pushed through no matter what the union say. All the union can do is to try and make it better for members, though will RM really care.
Of course it will get pushed through, because like the dispute the 'other' option is so much worse.
If the business had any common decency they would clear out the entirety of processing and offer the duties to delivery posties who are suffering physical health problems due to the walks.
Dream on. It'll be casuals/agency that we'll all be replaced with, not delivery staff. Casuals/agency have not got fixed hours and can get called in as and when needed. Probably within 10 years if we've not been forced out by the casuals/agency we'll be forced out by automation.
Like I said. If there was any actual integrity within the business, like you know, employers such as 'DHL' 'Evri' or 'UPS' who all offer indoor so called 'processing' jobs to their older employees. Then yeah, RM are missing a trick there aren't they?
If this gets pushed through with no benefit to staff then thousands will withdraw their membership. This is last chance saloon time for the union.
Think it'll be pushed through no matter what the union say. All the union can do is to try and make it better for members, though will RM really care.
Of course it will get pushed through, because like the dispute the 'other' option is so much worse.
If the business had any common decency they would clear out the entirety of processing and offer the duties to delivery posties who are suffering physical health problems due to the walks.
Dream on. It'll be casuals/agency that we'll all be replaced with, not delivery staff. Casuals/agency have not got fixed hours and can get called in as and when needed. Probably within 10 years if we've not been forced out by the casuals/agency we'll be forced out by automation.
Like I said. If there was any actual integrity within the business, like you know, employers such as 'DHL' 'Evri' or 'UPS' who all offer indoor so called 'processing' jobs to their older employees. Then yeah, RM are missing a trick there aren't they?
It has always been a curiosity to me that RM does not have a pathway through the business, to help those who can no longer do the physical side of delivery.
Tony Bouch obviously agrees because he wants more cross-over. He wants us to be able to work in different areas of the business if we want to, instead of being worked out if the door.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
We all used to have that opportunity/option every few years back in the day. Most folk didn't bother with it, as Delivery was probably the best work/life balance (job/finish and 5-6am start time)
Oh how the tables have turned for the supposed 90%+ of OPG delivery grade employees now.
Every decision accepted by the CWU has been for the worse for Delivery.
statement seems a bit off too. What's your proble m with that way of running a profit driven business?
Casuals/agency are better for any business as they can be called in as and when needed. Also if the workload drops off earlier then expected then they can be sent home early. They are only paid for the hours that they work.
For DHL and UPS their "indoor work" will be automated, Evri might well be the same.
statement seems a bit off too. What's your proble m with that way of running a profit driven business?
Casuals/agency are better for any business as they can be called in as and when needed. Also if the workload drops off earlier then expected then they can be sent home early. They are only paid for the hours that they work.
For DHL and UPS their "indoor work" will be automated, Evri might well be the same.
What do you mean by -
"indoor work" will be automated
exactly?
Are you insinuating that RM "indoor work" is somehow superior to any of these couriers other than having million pounds worth of machinery? Lol
You know what barns and LB I've thought the same, when I first started I was surprised that a massive national company didn't have a robust internal jobs transfer process, I'd certainly consider going to my nearest mail centre, I'm struggling on delivery and despite how hard some on here might make it out to be I would definitely consider it if available as an option, I've got to the point when whatever is deemed to be unsavoury might be better than the alternative
statement seems a bit off too. What's your proble m with that way of running a profit driven business?
Casuals/agency are better for any business as they can be called in as and when needed. Also if the workload drops off earlier then expected then they can be sent home early. They are only paid for the hours that they work.
For DHL and UPS their "indoor work" will be automated, Evri might well be the same.
What do you mean by -
"indoor work" will be automated
exactly?
Are you insinuating that RM "indoor work" is somehow superior to any of these couriers? Lol
You're deluded if you think that the "indoor work" at RM is superior, it's still a lot of manual handling, not all MCs have got packet sorting machines. Most firms around the world equivalent to RM probably have got machines which can sort flats and letters together. Once the 2C is every other day, the manual sorting jobs in MCs will be slashed as flats will goto MCs with flat sorting machines, there's no where near the volume of manual letters these days.
For firms like DHL and UPS the stuff will be unloaded onto a conveyor and won't then be touched by a human until it's loaded onto a lorry or into a place cargo container. Even then the last bit can be automated, robots exist which can do that.
statement seems a bit off too. What's your proble m with that way of running a profit driven business?
Casuals/agency are better for any business as they can be called in as and when needed. Also if the workload drops off earlier then expected then they can be sent home early. They are only paid for the hours that they work.
For DHL and UPS their "indoor work" will be automated, Evri might well be the same.
What do you mean by -
"indoor work" will be automated
exactly?
Are you insinuating that RM "indoor work" is somehow superior to any of these couriers? Lol
You're deluded if you think that the "indoor work" at RM is superior, it's still a lot of manual handling, not all MCs have got packet sorting machines. Most firms around the world equivalent to RM probably have got machines which can sort flats and letters together. Once the 2C is every other day, the manual sorting jobs in MCs will be slashed as flats will goto MCs with flat sorting machines, there's no where near the volume of manual letters these days.
For firms like DHL and UPS the stuff will be unloaded onto a conveyor and won't then be touched by a human until it's loaded onto a lorry or into a place cargo container. Even then the last bit can be automated, robots exist which can do that.
You are basically saying that MC processing work is obsolete. Do you think DHL UPS and Evri load their own vans for delivery? You are absolutely detached from the reality of what Delivery company labour is, other than whatever your little cotton wool MC processing duty is hahaha
Keep believing people are asking for a 'code' at the door for tracked items
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Conducted an experiment vis-à-vis non-drivers and Saturdays under the ODM.
One duty cleared with two days worth in the frame, the other not budging thanks to no day off cover. Driver took large items while the passenger took 1st class (and anything else for that door) and small packets. That yielded a little more than a single bundle of letters in hand and a full bag of letterbox-compatible Tracked. 13% callrate against the total number of delivery points on the duty. Clocking out time was looming so the pace was brisker than it should have been: 65 minutes.
With the amount of dead walking at this low a callrate, one of those new-fangled velocipedes starts to look more sensible in regards to efficiency and reducing fatigue. I can certainly say if I have to attend on a Saturday at these god-awful times but I was permitted the operational autonomy of a bike, I would be far more accommodating toward the implementation of the ODM.
Conducted an experiment vis-à-vis non-drivers and Saturdays under the ODM.
One duty cleared with two days worth in the frame, the other not budging thanks to no day off cover. Driver took large items while the passenger took 1st class (and anything else for that door) and small packets. That yielded a little more than a single bundle of letters in hand and a full bag of letterbox-compatible Tracked. 13% callrate against the total number of delivery points on the duty. Clocking out time was looming so the pace was brisker than it should have been: 65 minutes.
With the amount of dead walking at this low a callrate, one of those new-fangled velocipedes starts to look more sensible in regards to efficiency and reducing fatigue. I can certainly say if I have to attend on a Saturday at these god-awful times but I was permitted the operational autonomy of a bike, I would be far more accommodating toward the implementation of the ODM.
It’s a tuk tuk or nothing. Do you need a licence for one of them? Don’t think so
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
Conducted an experiment vis-à-vis non-drivers and Saturdays under the ODM.
One duty cleared with two days worth in the frame, the other not budging thanks to no day off cover. Driver took large items while the passenger took 1st class (and anything else for that door) and small packets. That yielded a little more than a single bundle of letters in hand and a full bag of letterbox-compatible Tracked. 13% callrate against the total number of delivery points on the duty. Clocking out time was looming so the pace was brisker than it should have been: 65 minutes.
With the amount of dead walking at this low a callrate, one of those new-fangled velocipedes starts to look more sensible in regards to efficiency and reducing fatigue. I can certainly say if I have to attend on a Saturday at these god-awful times but I was permitted the operational autonomy of a bike, I would be far more accommodating toward the implementation of the ODM.
Go out on a bike like FTimers used to do on 2nd delivery 20-30 years ago!!
I've a couple of questions if anyone could help answer them.
We have 1 in 4 and 1 in 6 rotas in our office and the boss has told us today we will be losing the 1 in 4 part off the rota. I thought i had heard cwu say no one will have to change the 1 in 4 if they dont want.
Also what are the other options does anyone have a list?
What is the point of 9 options if my boss just chooses what he thinks?
I've a couple of questions if anyone could help answer them.
We have 1 in 4 and 1 in 6 rotas in our office and the boss has told us today we will be losing the 1 in 4 part off the rota. I thought i had heard cwu say no one will have to change the 1 in 4 if they dont want.
Also what are the other options does anyone have a list?
What is the point of 9 options if my boss just chooses what he thinks?
No unit was going to have a choice of 9 duty options. That’s because each unit has a different make-up of what they do and the types of jobs such as HCT, rural etc.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
m with that way of running a profit driven business?
