Payrise

[POSTMAN]

Text of Terry's video will properly tidy it up when I can.


Hi everyone this is just another update on the pay Ive had a response from royal mail which is totally unacceptable, and they've written back, saying the board are considering all finances uh, and where the businesses I suppose given the current situation, things that are going on, and they're going to meet at the march when they will determine the remit for pay , which is totally unacceptable to us. soIve written back saying, no, we need an offer, and we need to start meetings on pay. They must have known they must have faactored in what they was going to offer on pay this year and we expect that offer to be made now, not just wait and deliberately hang this out it, nor try to add other things to it, to what they pay it should be a straight pay deal no strings.

Other issues.that they have tried to come back with are issues that were already committed to. and. dealing with in the pathway to change agreement. So that's separate, we're meeting them on productivity, we're meeting them on trials. we meeting them on the automation on the pipeline. all those meetings are still taking place. we're still committed to that agreement. so this pay deal has got nothing to do with that.

This is a straight paydeal this should reward our members and recognise what they done through the pandemic, and they should be proud to make that offer to their workforce.

So it's totally unacceptable they're telling us to wait, we want a response, we want an offer regardless what that offer is, and we want to start meetings now, don't refuse to meet us, meet us make an offer and let us start the negotiations on what would be an acceptable pay award for key workers,Royal Mail's key workers.

And to be honest, this is the time for the board and share holders to step up, because we've got an agreement about the future. we are reinventing Royal Mail. that takes time, and it will be done over a number of years. and of course, they'll have something in mind, how successful they want the company to be and so do we, we want to grow, this business want it to be successful, but on that journey there will always be bumps in the road. things you didn't anticipate like, for instance, what's going on in the world at the moment, and the cost of living crisis as well.

But that isn't the moment that you suddenly decide that you reward shareholders, but you don't reward the employees, you don't reward your workers, our members have worked through this pandemic, they're are the greatest asset that this business has got. don't just invest in new technology and invest in other things. invest in your greatest asset, which is our members.

Make an offer now and do the right thing, it is absolutely outrageous that we've not even had an offer yet. so i am appealed to them to reflect make us an offer. and let's start the negotiations. don't refuse to meet us. we should be meeting and we should be having those negotiations. now there's so we are waiting for their response, and then i can give you another update

[yellowbelly]

Some one cleverer than me can post Terry's video response to our request for a 7% no strings pay rise.....in essence they said due to current crisis the board will not be even looking at pay til end of March and don't get your hopes up.

How do you know it was 7%?

link here gives an estimate viewtopic.php?f=38&t=104272

Jan CPIH rate (I think the H means including Housing costs, I might be wrong) was 4.9%, not including the H - 5.5%.

So 7% is going to be way off what we are going to be graciously granted by our lords and masters

They're not going to use the RPI rate which is much higher at 7.8%!

[N|M]

Some one cleverer than me can post Terry's video response to our request for a 7% no strings pay rise.....in essence they said due to current crisis the board will not be even looking at pay til end of March and don't get your hopes up.

How do you know it was 7%?

link here gives an estimate viewtopic.php?f=38&t=104272

Jan CPIH rate (I think the H means including Housing costs, I might be wrong) was 4.9%, not including the H - 5.5%.

So 7% is going to be way off what we are going to be graciously granted by our lords and masters

They're not going to use the RPI rate which is much higher at 7.8%!

Yet everyone and there dog uses RPI when putting up prices

[yellowbelly]

Some one cleverer than me can post Terry's video response to our request for a 7% no strings pay rise.....in essence they said due to current crisis the board will not be even looking at pay til end of March and don't get your hopes up.

How do you know it was 7%?

link here gives an estimate viewtopic.php?f=38&t=104272

Jan CPIH rate (I think the H means including Housing costs, I might be wrong) was 4.9%, not including the H - 5.5%.

So 7% is going to be way off what we are going to be graciously granted by our lords and masters

They're not going to use the RPI rate which is much higher at 7.8%!

Yet everyone and there dog uses RPI when putting up prices

Courtesy of Depeche Mode, 'Everything Counts' circa early 80's:

The grabbing hands grab all they can
All for themselves, after all
It's a competitive world

[billycat]

At the office i work at every sunday 3 royal mail employees and 3 agency workers start at 10 they are finished at the latest 1 they are paid until 4 not enough parcels to deliver, the manager tells me he is only allowed to have agency staff on a sunday so he fllods the operation with staff so he can get a early dart, his words.

[Rommagic]

No offer yet from the RM.

[Cucumber]

Isn’t there an obligation from the CWU to ensure that when the job goes to 35 hours per week that it actually can be done in 35 hours?

[blacov]

No offer yet from the RM.

I am pretty confident this topic will be quiet for a couple of months now, maybe an update every month from Terry that they are trying to work with Royal Mail but with no real progress not to mention an offer. I stand to be corrected.

[Rommagic]

No offer yet from the RM.

I am pretty confident this topic will be quiet for a couple of months now, maybe an update every month from Terry that they are trying to work with Royal Mail but with no real progress not to mention an offer. I stand to be corrected.

Couple of months?.

[blacov]

No offer yet from the RM.

I am pretty confident this topic will be quiet for a couple of months now, maybe an update every month from Terry that they are trying to work with Royal Mail but with no real progress not to mention an offer. I stand to be corrected.

Couple of months?.

Yes months I believe. Royal Mail will delay it as long as possible and if anything is finally agreed. It will be announced in the usual Royal Mail fashion at the end of October backdated from mid November to beginning of April and CWU will be there too banging the drums about the deal of century. If this will be anything over 5% without any strings I would be very impressed, not that it is such a generous offer but that it is anything over pitiful 1% without anything in exchange.

[FirstPost]

No offer yet from the RM.

I am pretty confident this topic will be quiet for a couple of months now, maybe an update every month from Terry that they are trying to work with Royal Mail but with no real progress not to mention an offer. I stand to be corrected.

Couple of months?.

Yes months I believe. Royal Mail will delay it as long as possible and if anything is finally agreed. It will be announced in the usual Royal Mail fashion at the end of October backdated from mid November to beginning of April and CWU will be there too banging the drums about the deal of century. If this will be anything over 5% without any strings I would be very impressed, not that it is such a generous offer but that it is anything over pitiful 1% without anything in exchange.

By then inflation will be 10%

[theotherone]

Going to interesting this one I reckon might be the first time IR relations get tested since ST joined.
Board aren't even going to discuss it until end of March,then of course but forward a pitiful pay offer by standard.
CWU will want a no strings attached pay rise based on last year.
RM will want it linked to productivity, trials ,shift patterns etc that pay's for itself or at least a big part.

CWU have been quite cosy with RM and I just hope they now start to get a grip.
I may be wrong but I bet the RM aren't willing to give away more then 2%.

[postslippete]

I may be wrong but I bet the RM aren't willing to give away more then 2%.

Then it really won't be worth agree-ing to.

[Clappedoutpostie]

I may be wrong but I bet the RM aren't willing to give away more then 2%.

Then it really won't be worth agree-ing to.

It won’t be worth agreeing to and neither will it be worth working for RM anymore, wages have caught up elsewhere for less demanding jobs.

[Nickvilla20]

I may be wrong but I bet the RM aren't willing to give away more then 2%.

Then it really won't be worth agree-ing to.

It won’t be worth agreeing to and neither will it be worth working for RM anymore, wages have caught up elsewhere for less demanding jobs.

This will become more evident as the job get more difficult with bigger deliveries and having more to do in less time. I’m at a pretty well run office and even they are having recruitment problems. I only transferred in about 6 months ago and quite a few new starters have decided it’s not for them and have gone on to easier jobs with similar pay. Not having a proper work schedule also puts many off.