LTB 075/25 - Update on USO Pilot Sites

[Londonsburning]

Hows the bank holiday weekend backlog working out in the pilots? Will we be told in about 3 weeks time?

Also, can anyone confirm that the first pilot office, Newton Mearns, has 20 all single driving duties?

Every duty is single van
They are running and using the spare employees to cover failed mail
They run with extensive overtime in morning and extend at ther end of day
They also split the 4 duties they cover in groups of 3
And also split up the duties so all 3 are covering parts of the mail duties and lighter parcel and 1st class

Cumbernauld pilot office sick is through the roof

That is very interesting, as a quick google map search of 'Newton Mearns' draws a dotted line around that postcode area and shows it to be densely populated with suburban houses. There must be at least 14 duties worth of houses that look like prime shared van candidates, yet they are operating 1 to a van, with the obvious efficiencies and ease of delivery that brings. Is it a coincidence that they have been chosen first? That is quite concerning for me, don't know about anyone else. How an office that serves a population of around 30,000 people has 20 vans at their disposal (no doubt giving a high quality of service) is then to be used as an example that 'it works'.

It's a sham and will be whitewashed as a success. Do you think Mr Walsh will be telling us all about the high sick, corner cutting etc? Will he f**k. Absolute deception and bare faced lies to steamroller these changes through across the business. These people should be in the jail.

[Perseus]

Hows the bank holiday weekend backlog working out in the pilots? Will we be told in about 3 weeks time?

Also, can anyone confirm that the first pilot office, Newton Mearns, has 20 all single driving duties?

Every duty is single van
They are running and using the spare employees to cover failed mail
They run with extensive overtime in morning and extend at ther end of day
They also split the 4 duties they cover in groups of 3
And also split up the duties so all 3 are covering parts of the mail duties and lighter parcel and 1st class

Cumbernauld pilot office sick is through the roof

That is very interesting, as a quick google map search of 'Newton Mearns' draws a dotted line around that postcode area and shows it to be densely populated with suburban houses. There must be at least 14 duties worth of houses that look like prime shared van candidates, yet they are operating 1 to a van, with the obvious efficiencies and ease of delivery that brings. Is it a coincidence that they have been chosen first? That is quite concerning for me, don't know about anyone else. How an office that serves a population of around 30,000 people has 20 vans at their disposal (no doubt giving a high quality of service) is then to be used as an example that 'it works'.

It's a sham and will be whitewashed as a success. Do you think Mr Walsh will be telling us all about the high sick, corner cutting etc? Will he f**k. Absolute deception and bare faced lies to steamroller these changes through across the business. These people should be in the jail.

The point i'm trying to make is that the biggest corner cutting of all is apparently happening in that office if they are currently being lavished with 20, yes 20 vans to deliver a suburban area of around 6 square miles. Of course, there will be a few rural duties within that, but there is absolutely nothing to be learned from an office that has clearly been given an unbelievable head start to making this new way workable. Who on earth sanctioned this?
Give every office in the land 100% singleton duties and the ODM will work with little to no issues.

[Londonsburning]

Yep, exactly what I'm saying. Managers want to look good to save their overpaid jobs and CWU leaders are too scared to lose their massive wages for doing precisely nothing for their membership. So Newton Means will be an all round massive success and who cares about what is happening by November.

[toonshola]

Hows the bank holiday weekend backlog working out in the pilots? Will we be told in about 3 weeks time?

Also, can anyone confirm that the first pilot office, Newton Mearns, has 20 all single driving duties?

Every duty is single van
They are running and using the spare employees to cover failed mail
They run with extensive overtime in morning and extend at ther end of day
They also split the 4 duties they cover in groups of 3
And also split up the duties so all 3 are covering parts of the mail duties and lighter parcel and 1st class

Cumbernauld pilot office sick is through the roof

That is very interesting, as a quick google map search of 'Newton Mearns' draws a dotted line around that postcode area and shows it to be densely populated with suburban houses. There must be at least 14 duties worth of houses that look like prime shared van candidates, yet they are operating 1 to a van, with the obvious efficiencies and ease of delivery that brings. Is it a coincidence that they have been chosen first? That is quite concerning for me, don't know about anyone else. How an office that serves a population of around 30,000 people has 20 vans at their disposal (no doubt giving a high quality of service) is then to be used as an example that 'it works'.

It's a sham and will be whitewashed as a success. Do you think Mr Walsh will be telling us all about the high sick, corner cutting etc? Will he f**k. Absolute deception and bare faced lies to steamroller these changes through across the business. These people should be in the jail.

The point i'm trying to make is that the biggest corner cutting of all is apparently happening in that office if they are currently being lavished with 20, yes 20 vans to deliver a suburban area of around 6 square miles. Of course, there will be a few rural duties within that, but there is absolutely nothing to be learned from an office that has clearly been given an unbelievable head start to making this new way workable. Who on earth sanctioned this?
Give every office in the land 100% singleton duties and the ODM will work with little to no issues.

Great point about singleton duties. On occasions one of my paired duties goes on overtime and I’ve taken a row of it on top of the other duty, takes me the same time as doing the lot paired in a shared van. Shared van is an inefficient disaster. I honestly believe if every duty was made singleton under the new USO model there would be enough extra savings to cover the cost of extra vans needed. Shared van is bollocks and we now have Martin Walsh spouting nonsense about “van assistants” to help with the parcel/first class routes on Saturday just the shoehorn non drivers onto a Saturday rota.

[qwerty2]

Hows the bank holiday weekend backlog working out in the pilots? Will we be told in about 3 weeks time?

Also, can anyone confirm that the first pilot office, Newton Mearns, has 20 all single driving duties?

Every duty is single van
They are running and using the spare employees to cover failed mail
They run with extensive overtime in morning and extend at ther end of day
They also split the 4 duties they cover in groups of 3
And also split up the duties so all 3 are covering parts of the mail duties and lighter parcel and 1st class

Cumbernauld pilot office sick is through the roof

That is very interesting, as a quick google map search of 'Newton Mearns' draws a dotted line around that postcode area and shows it to be densely populated with suburban houses. There must be at least 14 duties worth of houses that look like prime shared van candidates, yet they are operating 1 to a van, with the obvious efficiencies and ease of delivery that brings. Is it a coincidence that they have been chosen first? That is quite concerning for me, don't know about anyone else. How an office that serves a population of around 30,000 people has 20 vans at their disposal (no doubt giving a high quality of service) is then to be used as an example that 'it works'.

It's a sham and will be whitewashed as a success. Do you think Mr Walsh will be telling us all about the high sick, corner cutting etc? Will he f**k. Absolute deception and bare faced lies to steamroller these changes through across the business. These people should be in the jail.

The point i'm trying to make is that the biggest corner cutting of all is apparently happening in that office if they are currently being lavished with 20, yes 20 vans to deliver a suburban area of around 6 square miles. Of course, there will be a few rural duties within that, but there is absolutely nothing to be learned from an office that has clearly been given an unbelievable head start to making this new way workable. Who on earth sanctioned this?
Give every office in the land 100% singleton duties and the ODM will work with little to no issues.

Great point about singleton duties. On occasions one of my paired duties goes on overtime and I’ve taken a row of it on top of the other duty, takes me the same time as doing the lot paired in a shared van. Shared van is an inefficient disaster. I honestly believe if every duty was made singleton under the new USO model there would be enough extra savings to cover the cost of extra vans needed. Shared van is bollocks and we now have Martin Walsh spouting nonsense about “van assistants” to help with the parcel/first class routes on Saturday just the shoehorn non drivers onto a Saturday rota.

So you want to throw non drivers under the bus like the union - people who’ve worked 20-40+ years for RM

[Barnacle]

Hows the bank holiday weekend backlog working out in the pilots? Will we be told in about 3 weeks time?

Also, can anyone confirm that the first pilot office, Newton Mearns, has 20 all single driving duties?

Every duty is single van
They are running and using the spare employees to cover failed mail
They run with extensive overtime in morning and extend at ther end of day
They also split the 4 duties they cover in groups of 3
And also split up the duties so all 3 are covering parts of the mail duties and lighter parcel and 1st class

Cumbernauld pilot office sick is through the roof

That is very interesting, as a quick google map search of 'Newton Mearns' draws a dotted line around that postcode area and shows it to be densely populated with suburban houses. There must be at least 14 duties worth of houses that look like prime shared van candidates, yet they are operating 1 to a van, with the obvious efficiencies and ease of delivery that brings. Is it a coincidence that they have been chosen first? That is quite concerning for me, don't know about anyone else. How an office that serves a population of around 30,000 people has 20 vans at their disposal (no doubt giving a high quality of service) is then to be used as an example that 'it works'.

It's a sham and will be whitewashed as a success. Do you think Mr Walsh will be telling us all about the high sick, corner cutting etc? Will he f**k. Absolute deception and bare faced lies to steamroller these changes through across the business. These people should be in the jail.

The point i'm trying to make is that the biggest corner cutting of all is apparently happening in that office if they are currently being lavished with 20, yes 20 vans to deliver a suburban area of around 6 square miles. Of course, there will be a few rural duties within that, but there is absolutely nothing to be learned from an office that has clearly been given an unbelievable head start to making this new way workable. Who on earth sanctioned this?
Give every office in the land 100% singleton duties and the ODM will work with little to no issues.

Great point about singleton duties. On occasions one of my paired duties goes on overtime and I’ve taken a row of it on top of the other duty, takes me the same time as doing the lot paired in a shared van. Shared van is an inefficient disaster. I honestly believe if every duty was made singleton under the new USO model there would be enough extra savings to cover the cost of extra vans needed. Shared van is bollocks and we now have Martin Walsh spouting nonsense about “van assistants” to help with the parcel/first class routes on Saturday just the shoehorn non drivers onto a Saturday rota.

So you want to throw non drivers under the bus like the union - people who’ve worked 20-40+ years for RM

They’ve completely overstated the ‘issue’ of having 8400 non-drivers. They don’t have and never will have, enough vans for everyone to work on their own every day. There will always be someone not driving in a pair.

They have unnecessarily made those without a license worry about their job security.

They have also done an excellent job of convincing everyone, that we are the issue. If they could just whip us harder, they could save that £million a day. Lazy posties.

However, if we down tools, the business grinds to a halt. If they down tools, no one notices.

[Perseus]

Hows the bank holiday weekend backlog working out in the pilots? Will we be told in about 3 weeks time?

Also, can anyone confirm that the first pilot office, Newton Mearns, has 20 all single driving duties?

Every duty is single van
They are running and using the spare employees to cover failed mail
They run with extensive overtime in morning and extend at ther end of day
They also split the 4 duties they cover in groups of 3
And also split up the duties so all 3 are covering parts of the mail duties and lighter parcel and 1st class

Cumbernauld pilot office sick is through the roof

That is very interesting, as a quick google map search of 'Newton Mearns' draws a dotted line around that postcode area and shows it to be densely populated with suburban houses. There must be at least 14 duties worth of houses that look like prime shared van candidates, yet they are operating 1 to a van, with the obvious efficiencies and ease of delivery that brings. Is it a coincidence that they have been chosen first? That is quite concerning for me, don't know about anyone else. How an office that serves a population of around 30,000 people has 20 vans at their disposal (no doubt giving a high quality of service) is then to be used as an example that 'it works'.

It's a sham and will be whitewashed as a success. Do you think Mr Walsh will be telling us all about the high sick, corner cutting etc? Will he f**k. Absolute deception and bare faced lies to steamroller these changes through across the business. These people should be in the jail.

The point i'm trying to make is that the biggest corner cutting of all is apparently happening in that office if they are currently being lavished with 20, yes 20 vans to deliver a suburban area of around 6 square miles. Of course, there will be a few rural duties within that, but there is absolutely nothing to be learned from an office that has clearly been given an unbelievable head start to making this new way workable. Who on earth sanctioned this?
Give every office in the land 100% singleton duties and the ODM will work with little to no issues.

Great point about singleton duties. On occasions one of my paired duties goes on overtime and I’ve taken a row of it on top of the other duty, takes me the same time as doing the lot paired in a shared van. Shared van is an inefficient disaster. I honestly believe if every duty was made singleton under the new USO model there would be enough extra savings to cover the cost of extra vans needed. Shared van is bollocks and we now have Martin Walsh spouting nonsense about “van assistants” to help with the parcel/first class routes on Saturday just the shoehorn non drivers onto a Saturday rota.

Of course.

You can easily be 20-25% more efficient working the way that the first pilot office already does before the trial - 1 van per person.
I'd wager that there isn't a single other suburban office in the UK that operates in the way that Newton Means does - the fuel costs alone for running 20 vans in such a small area must be a huge red flag for the bean counters.
It might have sounded a good idea at the time to get all these vans and singleton duties but they have paid for that by being first to get optimised.
I think I read somewhere that they have 4-5 spare staff now who are mopping up the extra work (what extra?) and are trying to get another duty put back into the office to offset the number of spare staff the new method brings.

[kazardaimenu]

If this gets pushed through with no benefit to staff then thousands will withdraw their membership. This is last chance saloon time for the union.

[SpacePhoenix]

If this gets pushed through with no benefit to staff then thousands will withdraw their membership. This is last chance saloon time for the union.

Think it'll be pushed through no matter what the union say. All the union can do is to try and make it better for members, though will RM really care.

[ted_e_bear]

If this gets pushed through with no benefit to staff then thousands will withdraw their membership. This is last chance saloon time for the union.

They seem to be pushing the two things they see as the big benefits, less Saturdays worked and less days worked per week, obviously these aren't everybody's priorities

[Barnacle]

If this gets pushed through with no benefit to staff then thousands will withdraw their membership. This is last chance saloon time for the union.

They seem to be pushing the two things they see as the big benefits, less Saturdays worked and less days worked per week, obviously these aren't everybody's priorities

Yes the toxic carrots. I don’t fancy being worked to death just for a couple of Saturdays.

The pilot method doesn’t work. They’ll have to admit that sooner or later and we shouldn’t accept it anyway. It doubles our workload for no extra pay.

Once again those at the top of the union have been out played by RM. The union needs new leadership.

[toonshola]

Hows the bank holiday weekend backlog working out in the pilots? Will we be told in about 3 weeks time?

Also, can anyone confirm that the first pilot office, Newton Mearns, has 20 all single driving duties?

Every duty is single van
They are running and using the spare employees to cover failed mail
They run with extensive overtime in morning and extend at ther end of day
They also split the 4 duties they cover in groups of 3
And also split up the duties so all 3 are covering parts of the mail duties and lighter parcel and 1st class

Cumbernauld pilot office sick is through the roof

That is very interesting, as a quick google map search of 'Newton Mearns' draws a dotted line around that postcode area and shows it to be densely populated with suburban houses. There must be at least 14 duties worth of houses that look like prime shared van candidates, yet they are operating 1 to a van, with the obvious efficiencies and ease of delivery that brings. Is it a coincidence that they have been chosen first? That is quite concerning for me, don't know about anyone else. How an office that serves a population of around 30,000 people has 20 vans at their disposal (no doubt giving a high quality of service) is then to be used as an example that 'it works'.

It's a sham and will be whitewashed as a success. Do you think Mr Walsh will be telling us all about the high sick, corner cutting etc? Will he f**k. Absolute deception and bare faced lies to steamroller these changes through across the business. These people should be in the jail.

The point i'm trying to make is that the biggest corner cutting of all is apparently happening in that office if they are currently being lavished with 20, yes 20 vans to deliver a suburban area of around 6 square miles. Of course, there will be a few rural duties within that, but there is absolutely nothing to be learned from an office that has clearly been given an unbelievable head start to making this new way workable. Who on earth sanctioned this?
Give every office in the land 100% singleton duties and the ODM will work with little to no issues.

Great point about singleton duties. On occasions one of my paired duties goes on overtime and I’ve taken a row of it on top of the other duty, takes me the same time as doing the lot paired in a shared van. Shared van is an inefficient disaster. I honestly believe if every duty was made singleton under the new USO model there would be enough extra savings to cover the cost of extra vans needed. Shared van is bollocks and we now have Martin Walsh spouting nonsense about “van assistants” to help with the parcel/first class routes on Saturday just the shoehorn non drivers onto a Saturday rota.

So you want to throw non drivers under the bus like the union - people who’ve worked 20-40+ years for RM

Ermm no I never said that. In my office they could all fit into the hct rounds. My main point is shared van is crap and inefficient.

[theotherone]

If this gets pushed through with no benefit to staff then thousands will withdraw their membership. This is last chance saloon time for the union.

Think it'll be pushed through no matter what the union say. All the union can do is to try and make it better for members, though will RM really care.

Of course it will get pushed through, because like the dispute the 'other' option is so much worse.

[Londonsburning]

If this gets pushed through with no benefit to staff then thousands will withdraw their membership. This is last chance saloon time for the union.

Think it'll be pushed through no matter what the union say. All the union can do is to try and make it better for members, though will RM really care.

Of course it will get pushed through, because like the dispute the 'other' option is so much worse.

If the business had any common decency they would clear out the entirety of processing and offer the duties to delivery posties who are suffering physical health problems due to the walks.

[SpacePhoenix]

If this gets pushed through with no benefit to staff then thousands will withdraw their membership. This is last chance saloon time for the union.

Think it'll be pushed through no matter what the union say. All the union can do is to try and make it better for members, though will RM really care.

Of course it will get pushed through, because like the dispute the 'other' option is so much worse.

If the business had any common decency they would clear out the entirety of processing and offer the duties to delivery posties who are suffering physical health problems due to the walks.

Dream on. It'll be casuals/agency that we'll all be replaced with, not delivery staff. Casuals/agency have not got fixed hours and can get called in as and when needed. Probably within 10 years if we've not been forced out by the casuals/agency we'll be forced out by automation.