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DAVE WARD STOP THE FLANNEL

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Acca Dacca
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Re: DAVE WARD STOP THE FLANNEL

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redlen wrote:
07 Apr 2023, 17:24
Acca Dacca wrote:
07 Apr 2023, 17:20
redlen wrote:
07 Apr 2023, 17:17
And do tell me where I said will result in mass sackings?

So kindly refrain from putting words into my mouth and making things up to suit your own agenda.
I didnt put words in your mouth. I posted what you said. Literally your words. :chuckle

And where is the link requested stating will result in mass sackings allegedly from me that you seem to have omitted?
Where did I say you said that?

You do realise im not the first poster you replied to right?
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Re: DAVE WARD STOP THE FLANNEL

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Where did I say you said that so kindly refrain from putting words into my mouth

You jumped in on the bandwagon after Half happy posted the allegation
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redlen wrote:
07 Apr 2023, 17:26
Where did I say you said that so kindly refrain from putting words into my mouth

You jumped in on the bandwagon after Half happy posted the allegation
Love your input Filthy Len. Best poster on here by some margin - always puts my mind at ease :left:
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LouBarlow wrote:
07 Apr 2023, 08:03
Haditup wrote:
07 Apr 2023, 07:24
Anybody accepting the revised proposal must be mad!
Sick pay totally decimated ,who can live on £109 a week SSP ?

Our job is full of Hazards ,physically demanding and we know RM didn’t give a xxxx during the heights of Covid.

Scenario:
First time ,you are off with a real bad type cold and cannot get out of bed(it’s going around the office).

Second time,You either sprain your ankle, pull your back ,Plantar fasciitis, knee gives way, trap your finger in the sliding door ,dog bite, anxiety, depression ,the list goes on and on.

Presently,Sick pay is the biggest benefit RM has and you never know when you might need it.
Statutory Sick Pay is only paid after day three at the rate of £109.40 per week.

If this goes to vote Please Think about it.
Blame the colleagues that have fraudulently abused the system for years for this. We still have people having a week off sick before holidays as a ‘lead in’. They should keep the current system for people legitimately sick with a doctor’s note etc but I have no issue with the sick pay process being changed to address the people misusing it currently.
I blame those with no backbone like you!
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rambo1 wrote:
07 Apr 2023, 08:17
needadvice wrote:
06 Apr 2023, 23:20
priority102 wrote:
06 Apr 2023, 22:58
RM have said no more talks and have walked out of the room.

Ward and Furey are suddenly left sitting on their own looking at each other bewildered and so have basically now gone cap in hand to RM saying we remain available anytime over the weekend/bank holiday for more talks.

Are they expecting RM to suddenly change their minds, back down and return straight back to the room?

Are they SERIOUSLY expecting anything from RM before the bank holiday is over? Remember.....total silence from RM between Christmas and the New Year, they enjoyed their yuletide break and s0d the workforce :evil/mad

What members were expecting tonight I don't know...the very fact that RM walked out of talks should have told you that tonight's update was not going to tell you anything.

I am CWU through and through but you have to concede that Ward is in completely unchartered territory, never before has such drastic action by the union been constantly resisted by RM, sadly I do think Ward is now trying to save his face, making big things of what miniscule concessions have been made by RM. No compulsory redundancies? They don't need to...with posties leaving in their droves and not being replaced it's mission accomplished with no severance pay!

A last thought: Ward said tonight that this "agreement" they seek is a 2 year agreement, so, the MAXIMUM that it will last is 2 years, and that will be unlikely as RM will just steam roller over it if they choose to, and before you know it you are back to square one.

VERY sad times.
The thing is, if strikes are to be called again, then we all know it must be an aggressive approach and not the lacklustre schedule before Christmas. This is why CWU are reluctant at the moment to call strikes, because they know they have to be very severe
There will not be any strike. It's a nuclear button that was never going to be pressed. Why can't people understand this?
That's what I just said 😆
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needadvice wrote:
07 Apr 2023, 18:50
rambo1 wrote:
07 Apr 2023, 08:17
needadvice wrote:
06 Apr 2023, 23:20
priority102 wrote:
06 Apr 2023, 22:58
RM have said no more talks and have walked out of the room.

Ward and Furey are suddenly left sitting on their own looking at each other bewildered and so have basically now gone cap in hand to RM saying we remain available anytime over the weekend/bank holiday for more talks.

Are they expecting RM to suddenly change their minds, back down and return straight back to the room?

Are they SERIOUSLY expecting anything from RM before the bank holiday is over? Remember.....total silence from RM between Christmas and the New Year, they enjoyed their yuletide break and s0d the workforce :evil/mad

What members were expecting tonight I don't know...the very fact that RM walked out of talks should have told you that tonight's update was not going to tell you anything.

I am CWU through and through but you have to concede that Ward is in completely unchartered territory, never before has such drastic action by the union been constantly resisted by RM, sadly I do think Ward is now trying to save his face, making big things of what miniscule concessions have been made by RM. No compulsory redundancies? They don't need to...with posties leaving in their droves and not being replaced it's mission accomplished with no severance pay!

A last thought: Ward said tonight that this "agreement" they seek is a 2 year agreement, so, the MAXIMUM that it will last is 2 years, and that will be unlikely as RM will just steam roller over it if they choose to, and before you know it you are back to square one.

VERY sad times.
The thing is, if strikes are to be called again, then we all know it must be an aggressive approach and not the lacklustre schedule before Christmas. This is why CWU are reluctant at the moment to call strikes, because they know they have to be very severe
There will not be any strike. It's a nuclear button that was never going to be pressed. Why can't people understand this?
That's what I just said 😆
Why do we have nuclear missiles it is a detrent and in answer we are biding our time this is a game of chess one move can spell doom and another checkmate you really have to understand things are going on we cannot see!
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Acca Dacca wrote:
07 Apr 2023, 17:25
redlen wrote:
07 Apr 2023, 17:24
Acca Dacca wrote:
07 Apr 2023, 17:20
redlen wrote:
07 Apr 2023, 17:17
And do tell me where I said will result in mass sackings?

So kindly refrain from putting words into my mouth and making things up to suit your own agenda.
I didnt put words in your mouth. I posted what you said. Literally your words. :chuckle

And where is the link requested stating will result in mass sackings allegedly from me that you seem to have omitted?
Where did I say you said that?

You do realise im not the first poster you replied to right?
You told me to refrain from putting words in your mouth and making stuff up

After the only post I had made was two quotes from posts that YOu made
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But those two quotes from me posted up by you contained nothing where i allegedly stated people WOULD be sacked Christmas Eve

Still waiting for that link from you?
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redlen wrote:
07 Apr 2023, 19:42
But those two quotes from me posted up by you contained nothing where i allegedly stated people WOULD be sacked Christmas Eve

Still waiting for that link from you?
So again I ask

Did I say you said that?

You said above that you never said I did

So what have I to refrain from?
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So why did you post up those two links that have nothing to do with the issue raised in trying to nefariously link them following on from the previous poster??

You jumped in on the bandwagon after Half happy posted the allegation with a pit bull mentality that has now bitten you on the ass
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redlen wrote:
07 Apr 2023, 19:54
So why did you post up those two links that have nothing to do with the issue raised in trying to nefariously link them following on from the previous poster??

You jumped in on the bandwagon after Half happy posted the allegation with a pit bull mentality that has now bitten you on the ass
I didnt say you did say THAT I said WELL you did say THIS which suggests that even if you didnt say what he claimed, you did post a lot of scaremongering nonsense about that subject which never came to fruition. I remember completely running rings round you on christmas eve at the time.

Now theres a good boy
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redlen wrote:
07 Apr 2023, 19:54
So why did you post up those two links that have nothing to do with the issue raised in trying to nefariously link them following on from the previous poster??

You jumped in on the bandwagon after Half happy posted the allegation with a pit bull mentality that has now bitten you on the ass
Put it away red the game is up your goose is cooked move on fight the NHS Schools and everything else you can f**k up and begone from here you have ZERO credibility on here do one and be gone!.
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Putting words into my mouth will not tolerate saying i said this and that when I did not. Saying now they were suggestive after failing to find the necessary link that does not exist, still does not change the facts as suggestive is subjective opinion, not fact, Nothing but pit bull mentality that has bitten on the ass.
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But just as a postman I know what it takes do you?
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redlen wrote:
07 Apr 2023, 20:09
Putting words into my mouth will not tolerate saying i said this and that when I did not. Saying now they were suggestive after failing to find the necessary link that does not exist, still does not change the facts as suggestive is subjective opinion, not fact, Nothing but pit bull mentality that has bitten on the ass.
The only words I have 'put in your mouth' are your own words

Your bark is worse than your bite Len :chuckle
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