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[LouBarlow]

I wasn't really comparing RM and Blockbusters but I take your point, however making terms and conditions worse for employees isn't necessary

It is if a company is on the brink and needs to cut costs to survive.

[Slim2none]

I wasn't really comparing RM and Blockbusters but I take your point, however making terms and conditions worse for employees isn't necessary

It is if a company is on the brink and needs to cut costs to survive.

It isn't necessary at all.

RM have seen all of this change coming forever. They have had no plan in place to transform the business other than attack the workforce. Period.

How long have they had to manage the decline in letters? How long have they had to drip feed themselves away from flights? How long have they spirited money away from the company? Where was there any future planning other than greed?
As for Blockbuster / Netflix, how many other video/dvd rental shops have survived streaming? None!

These clowns are transparent and devoid of morality. They dont give a funk about you, me, the customers or the very service they charge for and knowingly dont provide. Shameful. Period.

[LouBarlow]

I wasn't really comparing RM and Blockbusters but I take your point, however making terms and conditions worse for employees isn't necessary

It is if a company is on the brink and needs to cut costs to survive.

It isn't necessary at all.

RM have seen all of this change coming forever. They have had no plan in place to transform the business other than attack the workforce. Period.

How long have they had to manage the decline in letters? How long have they had to drip feed themselves away from flights? How long have they spirited money away from the company? Where was there any future planning other than greed?

They have been wanting to implement change for years now, and it was working until recently, as evidenced by the record profits earned in 2020. You are right though, that giving away millions to shareholders, instead of investing it into managing the decline in both parcel and letter volumes, was the major reason we are in this situation, but unless you have a time machine there is no un-ringing that bell.

[postslippete]

If the board can’t find an alternative solution to later start/finish times to encompass the loss of the use of air transport (which only accounts for 5% of mail) then I think rather than sack your entire workforce we should be looking at getting a new board

Why are they not lobbying the government for an extended delivery period for mail that would ordinarily come by air?

If the government is really serious about reducing this country’s carbon footprint then I’m sure it would take into account all the posties that will be contributing to rush hour traffic due to these later start/finish times

I mean if your journey home normally takes you 15min but because of traffic it takes 30min then you must be using more petrol, multiply that with every working day and every single postie I feel like that’s a strong argument

Oh, the irony of not being able to use air transport to account for 5% of the mail. As if Royal Mail are that bothered about mail when there are dozens of walks not going out everyday!!

If only there was a study done to prove the fact that our carbon footprint would be much higher delivering during rush hour traffic then that would be an excellent case for keeping the flights. Are Royal Mail also abandoning their overseas flights due to the carbon emissions? Neither are Amazon who have been buying up airplanes ever since Covid when passenger airlines were struggling. Amazon Air are still running well over a 100 flights a day to deliver stock in the US (another G7 country that wants to reduce carbon emissions) and 70% of Americans now live within 100 miles of an airport with an Amazon Air presence in 2021.

https://www.ft.com/content/ec355eb5-8db ... c09d2ed2d

RM are just using the carbon neutral b**ocks as a convenient excuse for pushing the times back.


The real reason is automation and the fact that parcels will be processed by these super hubs and as a consequence the parcels will be arriving later into delivery offices. Obviously, its deemed more efficient for the company to deliver the mail (which will still be processed off the CSS machines earlier) with the parcels and that is the number one reason why they want to move the whole operation backwards.

[pieoftheday]

I wasn't really comparing RM and Blockbusters but I take your point, however making terms and conditions worse for employees isn't necessary

It is if a company is on the brink and needs to cut costs to survive.

I can't agree with that, talking from a delivery point of view and in my experience deliveries are now too big and possibly were before revisions. Doing 10, 12 miles or more 5 days a week isn't good for anyone's health and making the sick policy worse in this respect is pretty disgusting. Please don't start on the people who take the piss with sick leave,sure there's some but I doubt it's that many.

[LouBarlow]

I wasn't really comparing RM and Blockbusters but I take your point, however making terms and conditions worse for employees isn't necessary

It is if a company is on the brink and needs to cut costs to survive.

I can't agree with that, talking from a delivery point of view and in my experience deliveries are now too big and possibly were before revisions. Doing 10, 12 miles or more 5 days a week isn't good for anyone's health and making the sick policy worse in this respect is pretty disgusting. Please don't start on the people who take the piss with sick leave,sure there's some but I doubt it's that many.

Why do you think they are wanting to make these changes then, if not for financial reasons?

[pieoftheday]

I wasn't really comparing RM and Blockbusters but I take your point, however making terms and conditions worse for employees isn't necessary

It is if a company is on the brink and needs to cut costs to survive.

I can't agree with that, talking from a delivery point of view and in my experience deliveries are now too big and possibly were before revisions. Doing 10, 12 miles or more 5 days a week isn't good for anyone's health and making the sick policy worse in this respect is pretty disgusting. Please don't start on the people who take the piss with sick leave,sure there's some but I doubt it's that many.

Why do you think they are wanting to make these changes then, if not for financial reasons?

I am not arguing they arnt doing it for financial reasons, I'm arguing business owe more to their employees than crap. Be fair with the workforce and things will run better, some tartar sauce for the fish sticks perhaps the shareholders could get their head around the dividend being a bit less but still regular silly me

[LouBarlow]

I wasn't really comparing RM and Blockbusters but I take your point, however making terms and conditions worse for employees isn't necessary

It is if a company is on the brink and needs to cut costs to survive.

I can't agree with that, talking from a delivery point of view and in my experience deliveries are now too big and possibly were before revisions. Doing 10, 12 miles or more 5 days a week isn't good for anyone's health and making the sick policy worse in this respect is pretty disgusting. Please don't start on the people who take the piss with sick leave,sure there's some but I doubt it's that many.

Why do you think they are wanting to make these changes then, if not for financial reasons?

I am not arguing they arnt doing it for financial reasons, I'm arguing business owe more to their employees than crap. Be fair with the workforce and things will run better, some tartar sauce for the fish sticks perhaps the shareholders could get their head around the dividend being a bit less but still regular silly me

We are getting a pay rise out of this and a generous lump sum. It isn’t all give and no take.

[pieoftheday]

I wasn't really comparing RM and Blockbusters but I take your point, however making terms and conditions worse for employees isn't necessary

It is if a company is on the brink and needs to cut costs to survive.

I can't agree with that, talking from a delivery point of view and in my experience deliveries are now too big and possibly were before revisions. Doing 10, 12 miles or more 5 days a week isn't good for anyone's health and making the sick policy worse in this respect is pretty disgusting. Please don't start on the people who take the piss with sick leave,sure there's some but I doubt it's that many.

Why do you think they are wanting to make these changes then, if not for financial reasons?

I am not arguing they arnt doing it for financial reasons, I'm arguing business owe more to their employees than crap. Be fair with the workforce and things will run better, some tartar sauce for the fish sticks perhaps the shareholders could get their head around the dividend being a bit less but still regular silly me

We are getting a pay rise out of this and a generous lump sum. It isn’t all give and no take.

Ok, I don't see as a positive with regards to the rest, agree to disagree eh
. No point in going around in circles