LTB 220/23 - ORGANISING AND RECRUITMENT - BUILDING THE UNION - NEW STARTERS T&C'S

[LouBarlow]

That has always been the case, as long as I’ve been in the job. Even if the T&Cs were the same as ours a lot of new starters quit early on. We’ve had quite a few lately and the majority have stuck it out….for now. Christmas will be interesting (if the mail picks up)

[Shirtbuttons]

We must of had 16 this year and there are 2 left. Also had about 12 long term grafters leave for better jobs. 25 years and some 30 years service and they have walked. The place is broken.

[denhamhoop]

LTB 220/23 b. Rent-seekers seek rent.

Please support our rent-seeker lifestyles as we pretend to solve the problems we created for you.

How are the union responsible for declining mail volumes and Royal Mail failing as a business? You could argue that more should have been done to prevent privatisation I guess, but that was inevitable.

But there is not a declining mail volume just shows if you tell a lie often enough then people will eventually believe it. Letters have declined but not by as much as Royal Mail like to claim but the problem is a large chunk of the profitable letters have been scooped up by rivals and we now deliver them as part of DSA where the amount they pay to have them deliver is negligible. As for packets well yes they are down from the height of the pandemic but compare them to the levels pre pandemic and they most certainly are not down. Special deliveries are massively down from what they were 10 years ago when a busy night would see 16k to 18k processed to now where it's around 6k to 8k a large chunk of this was foreign returns/chinese mail which now goes through Tracked. To counter this the staffing levels have gone from 20 staff to 8 staff at maximum and half of them only in the second half of the shift. Tracked 10 years ago would see somewhere around 20 k on the quieter nights and 30 k on the busier nights to where now it's 30k on the quieter nights and 50k on the busy nights with the same staff but half of them covering Machine breaks so every night is a struggle to finish and without 8 to 10 casuals every night would never finish

[olilew]

Union realising membership is dwindling to dangerous levels so a massive recruitment drive to sign up the new starters, oh wait a minute, there aren't any! And wait for the mass exodus come end of September!

[pieoftheday]

LTB 220/23 b. Rent-seekers seek rent.

Please support our rent-seeker lifestyles as we pretend to solve the problems we created for you.

How are the union responsible for declining mail volumes and Royal Mail failing as a business? You could argue that more should have been done to prevent privatisation I guess, but that was inevitable.

But there is not a declining mail volume just shows if you tell a lie often enough then people will eventually believe it. Letters have declined but not by as much as Royal Mail like to claim but the problem is a large chunk of the profitable letters have been scooped up by rivals and we now deliver them as part of DSA where the amount they pay to have them deliver is negligible. As for packets well yes they are down from the height of the pandemic but compare them to the levels pre pandemic and they most certainly are not down. Special deliveries are massively down from what they were 10 years ago when a busy night would see 16k to 18k processed to now where it's around 6k to 8k a large chunk of this was foreign returns/chinese mail which now goes through Tracked. To counter this the staffing levels have gone from 20 staff to 8 staff at maximum and half of them only in the second half of the shift. Tracked 10 years ago would see somewhere around 20 k on the quieter nights and 30 k on the busier nights to where now it's 30k on the quieter nights and 50k on the busy nights with the same staff but half of them covering Machine breaks so every night is a struggle to finish and without 8 to 10 casuals every night would never finish

RM have always lied about the volume of letters , remember WLA? Work Load Assessment , what a con that was

[LouBarlow]

LTB 220/23 b. Rent-seekers seek rent.

Please support our rent-seeker lifestyles as we pretend to solve the problems we created for you.

How are the union responsible for declining mail volumes and Royal Mail failing as a business? You could argue that more should have been done to prevent privatisation I guess, but that was inevitable.

But there is not a declining mail volume just shows if you tell a lie often enough then people will eventually believe it.

I believe my own eyes. We have barely anything now Monday to Wednesday, both packets and letters wise, then the later part of the week picks up and then drops off again. I get it, my office must be an outlier, but some days I barely have half a bag for some loops. It is dead and I don’t see it getting better any time soon with the state of the economy and staff’s reluctance to change.

[qwerty2]

Union realising membership is dwindling to dangerous levels so a massive recruitment drive to sign up the new starters, oh wait a minute, there aren't any! And wait for the mass exodus come end of September!

Even more will leave next March with later starts and finishes

[pieoftheday]

LTB 220/23 b. Rent-seekers seek rent.

Please support our rent-seeker lifestyles as we pretend to solve the problems we created for you.

How are the union responsible for declining mail volumes and Royal Mail failing as a business? You could argue that more should have been done to prevent privatisation I guess, but that was inevitable.

But there is not a declining mail volume just shows if you tell a lie often enough then people will eventually believe it.

I believe my own eyes. We have barely anything now Monday to Wednesday, both packets and letters wise, then the later part of the week picks up and then drops off again. I get it, my office must be an outlier, but some days I barely have half a bag for some loops. It is dead and I don’t see it getting better any time soon with the state of the economy and staff’s reluctance to change.

Isn't mail held back for some reason? Hence some very light days for some?

[worktotime]

We must of had 16 this year and there are 2 left. Also had about 12 long term grafters leave for better jobs. 25 years and some 30 years service and they have walked. The place is broken.

same here weve had about 15 leave in the last 2 months , senior 30+ years leaving for other jobs and agency walking in last 1 or 2 days and never return , it was that bad the area rep had to get off his arse and come to the office and try to recruit members that have stopped they crumbling workers union subs , desperation from them in my eyes as they have destroyed themselves with this agreement

[worktotime]

Union realising membership is dwindling to dangerous levels so a massive recruitment drive to sign up the new starters, oh wait a minute, there aren't any! And wait for the mass exodus come end of September!

, to true as some are waiting to get the money and they will be gone .

[worktotime]

LTB 220/23 b. Rent-seekers seek rent.

Please support our rent-seeker lifestyles as we pretend to solve the problems we created for you.

How are the union responsible for declining mail volumes and Royal Mail failing as a business? You could argue that more should have been done to prevent privatisation I guess, but that was inevitable.

But there is not a declining mail volume just shows if you tell a lie often enough then people will eventually believe it.

I believe my own eyes. We have barely anything now Monday to Wednesday, both packets and letters wise, then the later part of the week picks up and then drops off again. I get it, my office must be an outlier, but some days I barely have half a bag for some loops. It is dead and I don’t see it getting better any time soon with the state of the economy and staff’s reluctance to change.

do you want to swap offices then ? half a bag a loop , and see what its like in the office i work .

[LouBarlow]

LTB 220/23 b. Rent-seekers seek rent.

Please support our rent-seeker lifestyles as we pretend to solve the problems we created for you.

How are the union responsible for declining mail volumes and Royal Mail failing as a business? You could argue that more should have been done to prevent privatisation I guess, but that was inevitable.

But there is not a declining mail volume just shows if you tell a lie often enough then people will eventually believe it.

I believe my own eyes. We have barely anything now Monday to Wednesday, both packets and letters wise, then the later part of the week picks up and then drops off again. I get it, my office must be an outlier, but some days I barely have half a bag for some loops. It is dead and I don’t see it getting better any time soon with the state of the economy and staff’s reluctance to change.

do you want to swap offices then ? half a bag a loop , and see what its like in the office i work .

I wonder if the reason is we have had reasonable revisions compared to others. Might be why some offices don’t notice the mail dropping off a cliff.

[richj2009]

LTB 220/23 b. Rent-seekers seek rent.

Please support our rent-seeker lifestyles as we pretend to solve the problems we created for you.

How are the union responsible for declining mail volumes and Royal Mail failing as a business? You could argue that more should have been done to prevent privatisation I guess, but that was inevitable.

But there is not a declining mail volume just shows if you tell a lie often enough then people will eventually believe it.

I believe my own eyes. We have barely anything now Monday to Wednesday, both packets and letters wise, then the later part of the week picks up and then drops off again. I get it, my office must be an outlier, but some days I barely have half a bag for some loops. It is dead and I don’t see it getting better any time soon with the state of the economy and staff’s reluctance to change.

What else are staff expected to do in terms of change. I always find this bit confusing. I get later starts to catch the lats but an hour later won't catch them just force parents out. I suppose money will be saved on that old contract decline but what other changes should we be accommodating. We deliver stuff end of.

[worktotime]

LTB 220/23 b. Rent-seekers seek rent.

Please support our rent-seeker lifestyles as we pretend to solve the problems we created for you.

How are the union responsible for declining mail volumes and Royal Mail failing as a business? You could argue that more should have been done to prevent privatisation I guess, but that was inevitable.

But there is not a declining mail volume just shows if you tell a lie often enough then people will eventually believe it.

I believe my own eyes. We have barely anything now Monday to Wednesday, both packets and letters wise, then the later part of the week picks up and then drops off again. I get it, my office must be an outlier, but some days I barely have half a bag for some loops. It is dead and I don’t see it getting better any time soon with the state of the economy and staff’s reluctance to change.

do you want to swap offices then ? half a bag a loop , and see what its like in the office i work .

I wonder if the reason is we have had reasonable revisions compared to others. Might be why some offices don’t notice the mail dropping off a cliff.

reluctant to change ? , well theres meaningful change and then theres change that is just trying to save a quick buck which is what the union has signed up to and destroyed the members t&cs , the best is we need to start later as stuff wont get to delivery offices later , and surprise surprise they want us to start 24 mins early over winter ( for free ) , so thats logic

[DirtyHarry]

The CWU are every bit as big a bunch of w*****s you could ever find, as Royal Mail are.

A marriage made in the hell they have us work in.