LTB 201/23 - Recruitment Drive - New Entrants in Royal Mail Group

[Mr Rush]

RM is now little better than a gig economy job, what point in signing up for a union if you don't expect to be in post long enough to see any benefit.

The union are playing the long-long game! By staying strong and united by 2080 we'll win back all our T&Cs and we'll be Spanish-Practicing again 2007 style.

[LouBarlow]

This seems desperate. Why would any new starter join a union that views them as second class workers? I wouldn’t want to be in charge of union strategy right now, as it must be a fine balancing act trying to appease old members while trying to entice new.

Lou spanning or spamming again,
Just post your door to doors and whistle your merry way Lou. There is no point in you posting as nothing affects you , your duty or workload... Oh you don't have one.
You attack the union more than anyone else on this site, it's all pernicious and backhanded.

What does spanning mean in this context? I’m genuinely curious.

Again, what would lead you to think I don’t have my own duty? I deliberately choose not to reveal more details of my location, as there are enough weirdos that stalk me around these forums, for daring to have my own educated opinion, and frankly I wouldn’t trust them to know any more about me personally.

So which is it now? Am I a manager or ‘public enemy numero uno’ of the CWU, desperately planning for its demise? Funnily enough, I manage to have a nuanced view when it comes to this job. Unlike some on here, I can be critical and enthuse praise for both RM and the CWU when either deserves it. I don’t have the vapid blind loyalty that some on here do, mentioning no names of course.

Now, as to my point before. Yes, I believe it is a major blunder for the CWU to have ignored this conception of a two-tiered workforce. Going forward, they are going to lose legacy members and struggle to recruit new ones. Why would you join a union that doesn’t value you enough to have fought for the same T&Cs as established members?

[scotchy1962]

Hahahahahah...... Hahahaha jesus my sides are splitting. Hahahaha.

[guardianangel]

https://www.cwu.org/ltb/ltb-201-23-recr ... ail-group/

LTB 201/23 - Recruitment Drive - New Entrants in Royal Mail Group
No. 201/23

28th July 2023

Dear Colleagues,

Recruitment Drive – New Entrants in Royal Mail Group

Further to the National Briefing at the Queens Hotel, Leeds on 25th July where the profile of Recruitment was raised. Branches and representatives will appreciate the importance of ensuring this activity across all Royal Mail Group workplaces, remains a high priority.

This is necessary more so than ever, as RMG have informed us they have embarked upon a significant recruitment drive and have already employed 1200 new starters in the past two weeks. It is crucial every effort is now made to recruit these people into the CWU and plans are put in place by all Branches to achieve this aim. Alongside this, Organising and Recruitment must feature prominently as an agenda item for all business based and Branch meetings.

We realise recruitment of new entrants on inferior pay terms and conditions is a new challenge. The Union is fully committed to securing improvements and fairer terms and conditions on a par with those recruited prior to 1st December 2022. The more new-entrants joining the CWU the better the chance of achieving success.

In terms of the wider organising and recruitment strategy, including a review of all supporting communications and recruitment literature, this work is ongoing at Headquarters. Once our plans have been finalised the intention is to hold a launch event via a national zoom call with all Branch Secretaries.

Recruitment into the Union is the responsibility of representatives at all levels and must be treated as a priority.



Yours sincerely,



Dave Ward Andy Furey
General Secretary Acting Deputy General Secretary (Postal)

You couldn't make it up these clowns gave it all away and are coming out with the tripe of getting fairer conditions for new entrants,this shower really do need to go they should be ashamed to be associated with the word UNION,they are even more despised than the Tories at least Boris and co finally got the message and resigned,ward furey and webb will always be known as the 3 men who s**t on the working class posties,they had the chance to become heroes and ended up being scumbags.

[Woody Guthrie]

You're a nice, well adjusted human being mate.
Despised?
Scumbags?
Get a f***ing grip, you're embarrassing yourself with all the over the top bollocks.
It's just a job and as far as I'm aware nobody has been asked to give up their first born yet.

[yubin282]

Has the union officially thrown in the towel? The union vehemently opposed the following

No two-tier workforce
No new sick policy
No performance related bonuses

these where officially declared red lines the union would not allow the company to cross. How many back handers did the union get for this?

I would be happy if there was only a 2 tier workforce, there is at least 6 that i can think of

[dazzler123]

The union are turning into monty python, each public statement leaves me in disbelief

[aiden01]

https://www.cwu.org/ltb/ltb-201-23-recr ... ail-group/

LTB 201/23 - Recruitment Drive - New Entrants in Royal Mail Group
No. 201/23

28th July 2023

Dear Colleagues,

Recruitment Drive – New Entrants in Royal Mail Group

Further to the National Briefing at the Queens Hotel, Leeds on 25th July where the profile of Recruitment was raised. Branches and representatives will appreciate the importance of ensuring this activity across all Royal Mail Group workplaces, remains a high priority.

This is necessary more so than ever, as RMG have informed us they have embarked upon a significant recruitment drive and have already employed 1200 new starters in the past two weeks. It is crucial every effort is now made to recruit these people into the CWU and plans are put in place by all Branches to achieve this aim. Alongside this, Organising and Recruitment must feature prominently as an agenda item for all business based and Branch meetings.

We realise recruitment of new entrants on inferior pay terms and conditions is a new challenge. The Union is fully committed to securing improvements and fairer terms and conditions on a par with those recruited prior to 1st December 2022. The more new-entrants joining the CWU the better the chance of achieving success.

In terms of the wider organising and recruitment strategy, including a review of all supporting communications and recruitment literature, this work is ongoing at Headquarters. Once our plans have been finalised the intention is to hold a launch event via a national zoom call with all Branch Secretaries.

Recruitment into the Union is the responsibility of representatives at all levels and must be treated as a priority.



Yours sincerely,



Dave Ward Andy Furey
General Secretary Acting Deputy General Secretary (Postal)

You couldn't make it up these clowns gave it all away and are coming out with the tripe of getting fairer conditions for new entrants,this shower really do need to go they should be ashamed to be associated with the word UNION,they are even more despised than the Tories at least Boris and co finally got the message and resigned,ward furey and webb will always be known as the 3 men who s**t on the working class posties,they had the chance to become heroes and ended up being scumbags.

Can you possibly explain why they ended up being scumbags.i thought the vote on the agreement was a resounding yes.just seems like the no voters have lost any sense they had with some of the things being said about anyone who voted yes.an also have no doubt ward an furey will be re-elected.

[sweepster70]

https://www.cwu.org/ltb/ltb-201-23-recr ... ail-group/

LTB 201/23 - Recruitment Drive - New Entrants in Royal Mail Group
No. 201/23

28th July 2023

Dear Colleagues,

Recruitment Drive – New Entrants in Royal Mail Group

Further to the National Briefing at the Queens Hotel, Leeds on 25th July where the profile of Recruitment was raised. Branches and representatives will appreciate the importance of ensuring this activity across all Royal Mail Group workplaces, remains a high priority.

This is necessary more so than ever, as RMG have informed us they have embarked upon a significant recruitment drive and have already employed 1200 new starters in the past two weeks. It is crucial every effort is now made to recruit these people into the CWU and plans are put in place by all Branches to achieve this aim. Alongside this, Organising and Recruitment must feature prominently as an agenda item for all business based and Branch meetings.

We realise recruitment of new entrants on inferior pay terms and conditions is a new challenge. The Union is fully committed to securing improvements and fairer terms and conditions on a par with those recruited prior to 1st December 2022. The more new-entrants joining the CWU the better the chance of achieving success.

In terms of the wider organising and recruitment strategy, including a review of all supporting communications and recruitment literature, this work is ongoing at Headquarters. Once our plans have been finalised the intention is to hold a launch event via a national zoom call with all Branch Secretaries.

Recruitment into the Union is the responsibility of representatives at all levels and must be treated as a priority.



Yours sincerely,



Dave Ward Andy Furey
General Secretary Acting Deputy General Secretary (Postal)

You couldn't make it up these clowns gave it all away and are coming out with the tripe of getting fairer conditions for new entrants,this shower really do need to go they should be ashamed to be associated with the word UNION,they are even more despised than the Tories at least Boris and co finally got the message and resigned,ward furey and webb will always be known as the 3 men who s**t on the working class posties,they had the chance to become heroes and ended up being scumbags.

Why have you put Webb in this? He's not voted in.
The majority....... Oh I mean the small minority voted against this. You're opinion means nothing now.

[SWIM]

https://www.cwu.org/ltb/ltb-201-23-recr ... ail-group/

LTB 201/23 - Recruitment Drive - New Entrants in Royal Mail Group
No. 201/23

28th July 2023

Dear Colleagues,

Recruitment Drive – New Entrants in Royal Mail Group

Further to the National Briefing at the Queens Hotel, Leeds on 25th July where the profile of Recruitment was raised. Branches and representatives will appreciate the importance of ensuring this activity across all Royal Mail Group workplaces, remains a high priority.

This is necessary more so than ever, as RMG have informed us they have embarked upon a significant recruitment drive and have already employed 1200 new starters in the past two weeks. It is crucial every effort is now made to recruit these people into the CWU and plans are put in place by all Branches to achieve this aim. Alongside this, Organising and Recruitment must feature prominently as an agenda item for all business based and Branch meetings.

We realise recruitment of new entrants on inferior pay terms and conditions is a new challenge. The Union is fully committed to securing improvements and fairer terms and conditions on a par with those recruited prior to 1st December 2022. The more new-entrants joining the CWU the better the chance of achieving success.

In terms of the wider organising and recruitment strategy, including a review of all supporting communications and recruitment literature, this work is ongoing at Headquarters. Once our plans have been finalised the intention is to hold a launch event via a national zoom call with all Branch Secretaries.

Recruitment into the Union is the responsibility of representatives at all levels and must be treated as a priority.



Yours sincerely,



Dave Ward Andy Furey
General Secretary Acting Deputy General Secretary (Postal)

You couldn't make it up these clowns gave it all away and are coming out with the tripe of getting fairer conditions for new entrants,this shower really do need to go they should be ashamed to be associated with the word UNION,they are even more despised than the Tories at least Boris and co finally got the message and resigned,ward furey and webb will always be known as the 3 men who s**t on the working class posties,they had the chance to become heroes and ended up being scumbags.

[postslippete]

Yeah we haven't stopped the company introducing watered down T&C, not to mention the inferior pay compared to all your colleagues you'll be working with but please give us a couple of quid weekly once you've started.....

Our office has quite a few part timers on part time contracts that have been working full time on overtime for quite a few years now. The fact that most of them still don't have a full time contract does not give me much confidence that this union will level up these new recruits to achieve parity with our wages.

[LouBarlow]

https://www.cwu.org/ltb/ltb-201-23-recr ... ail-group/

LTB 201/23 - Recruitment Drive - New Entrants in Royal Mail Group
No. 201/23

28th July 2023

Dear Colleagues,

Recruitment Drive – New Entrants in Royal Mail Group

Further to the National Briefing at the Queens Hotel, Leeds on 25th July where the profile of Recruitment was raised. Branches and representatives will appreciate the importance of ensuring this activity across all Royal Mail Group workplaces, remains a high priority.

This is necessary more so than ever, as RMG have informed us they have embarked upon a significant recruitment drive and have already employed 1200 new starters in the past two weeks. It is crucial every effort is now made to recruit these people into the CWU and plans are put in place by all Branches to achieve this aim. Alongside this, Organising and Recruitment must feature prominently as an agenda item for all business based and Branch meetings.

We realise recruitment of new entrants on inferior pay terms and conditions is a new challenge. The Union is fully committed to securing improvements and fairer terms and conditions on a par with those recruited prior to 1st December 2022. The more new-entrants joining the CWU the better the chance of achieving success.

In terms of the wider organising and recruitment strategy, including a review of all supporting communications and recruitment literature, this work is ongoing at Headquarters. Once our plans have been finalised the intention is to hold a launch event via a national zoom call with all Branch Secretaries.

Recruitment into the Union is the responsibility of representatives at all levels and must be treated as a priority.



Yours sincerely,



Dave Ward Andy Furey
General Secretary Acting Deputy General Secretary (Postal)

You couldn't make it up these clowns gave it all away and are coming out with the tripe of getting fairer conditions for new entrants,this shower really do need to go they should be ashamed to be associated with the word UNION,they are even more despised than the Tories at least Boris and co finally got the message and resigned,ward furey and webb will always be known as the 3 men who s**t on the working class posties,they had the chance to become heroes and ended up being scumbags.

They managed to secure a pay rise and lump sum out of a failing business. That is heroic alone. There are definitely areas of the agreement that are failures though, and not securing parity for new starters is one of them. How any union could sign off on lesser conditions for new starters is beyond me, and almost an act of self flaggelation.

[TopperGas]

Problem is who was really going to support further IA for new starters? Posters really need to stop criticising CWU for caving in and look at their fellow works for why they had to cave in.

[LouBarlow]

Problem is who was really going to support further IA for new starters? Posters really need to stop criticising CWU for caving in and look at their fellow works for why they had to cave in.

I agree with you, which is why I am so conflicted over this agreement. Strike action was never going to happen regardless, but it seems remarkably naive to not try to secure new members considering how many the CWU are leaking right now. If you look at it objectively, if I started in the job now, and looked around and saw union members earning more money for doing the same job then I sure as hell would be reluctant to chuck more money towards a union who treats me as a second class citizen.

[Jb1969]

None of you are actually asking “will this work?”
Can you really see annualised work being a positive addition to the workplace.Will Managers keep up with the timekeeping, most don’t know how to cook an egg!
RM’s latest “we just employed 1200 staff” is comical, 20 were employed at the local DO, 3 remained after 2 weeks!
One left after an hour after Manager informed her she had to complete regardless of her kids she had to pick up!
The new “York” sleeves are brilliant, we had a 100 broken go back in 2 days, don’t even mention the shovels!
The complete & utter failure of the USO is an embarrassment to us all, but it’s NOT the failure of us ground troops.
I now work in the Twilight Zone, been a Rep for to long, nothing surprises me.
Go in, do your time, go home, end of.