Vote No.

[Woody Guthrie]

Roll over and take it, or stand up and fight it.

That's a nice little soundbite but....
What are you going to do to fight it?
Apart from putting a cross in a different box obviously.
Who's going to lead this fight?
Who is going to organise it?
What are your aims?
How will you achieve them?
What will you accept as a 'win'?
And the most important question in any fight.
What are you prepared to lose?

[DirtyHarry]

We in the east anglia will be voting yes,business needs to change fact

Is that we as in every postie in East Anglia or we as in you & one of your mates??

We, and all the other manager dupes.

[enskied]

We in the east anglia will be voting yes,business needs to change fact

Could you tell me how the business needs to change, just your opinion?
Because I agree that it does.

Staffing for one.
The obligation to the USO.
Bullying and harassment.
Health and safety.

I could go on but , you tell me, convince me.
What's going on in East Anglia?

[LouBarlow]

It’s the only sensible option.

Yes it is definitely sensible to vote for the option that means no pay-rise, no lump sum, and the changes you are voting against, happening anyway, and then potentially more so.

The only sensible option folks.

[77SAMPOST77]

It’s the only sensible option.

Yes it is definitely sensible to vote for the option that means no pay-rise, no lump sum, and the changes you are voting against, happening anyway, and then potentially more so.

The only sensible option folks.

more doom and gloom scaremongering by Mr negative = Lou barlow

[kazardaimenu]

Ready to vote no but when will they ballot us!?

[kazardaimenu]

If they came back with a reasonable sick policy and decent back pay they might be able to talk me round. Would help if we could see the start times too.

[enskied]

It’s the only sensible option.

Yes it is definitely sensible to vote for the option that means no pay-rise, no lump sum, and the changes you are voting against, happening anyway, and then potentially more so.

The only sensible option folks.

Well that's not a given is it Lou.?

Vote yes, I see more stripping of of terms and conditions coming at record pace. We have already lost 6 months of this agreement.
More imposed changes on the way after Christmas

[enskied]

Gaffer been away on holidays this week so we have had a new fully trained Simon Thompson gaffer in to oversee the smooth operation of our unit.

New trained gaffer has spent all week in the office with Their head in hands, stopped short of comfort rocking and sucking a thumb, but only just.

[Woody Guthrie]

Vote either way and there will be more stripping of terms and conditions.
It's arguable which way will drive them down faster but I believe on the evidence of past behaviour a no vote would win that race easily.

So the destruction of terms and conditions is not an argument to vote no.

As I've said before the only "sensible" reason to vote no is if you genuinely believe it will improve our situation and you're willing to pay the price if it makes things worse.

There are other reasons to vote no but they are all emotional and definitely not sensible.

[Jen1]

I’m voting no for the sake of my health

In other countries they have a siesta at midday they definitely don’t go outside and start a physical job in the midday sun

And if the global warming predictions are correct it’s only set to get hotter

Wake up Royal Mail as much as you want to exclusively be a parcel company you are not and you do have a duty of care to your staff

No wonder you want to diminish sick pay

[enskied]

Vote either way and there will be more stripping of terms and conditions.
It's arguable which way will drive them down faster but I believe on the evidence of past behaviour a no vote would win that race easily.

So the destruction of terms and conditions is not an argument to vote no.

As I've said before the only "sensible" reason to vote no is if you genuinely believe it will improve our situation and you're willing to pay the price if it makes things worse.

There are other reasons to vote no but they are all emotional and definitely not sensible.

What past evidence?

The past evidence I have experienced is that management have failed to adhere to any agreement ever made and within weeks.

What happened the last time we voted NO to a negotiated agreement ?

[hans solo]

We’ll said drake,at the end of the day people need a job,yes delivery’s are big but you have a start time/finish time

You will not have a finish time though
You will be flexing and lapsing with no otime payment just less hours in the summer
Read the agreement not the £ signs

[Ppat98]

Vote either way and there will be more stripping of terms and conditions.
It's arguable which way will drive them down faster but I believe on the evidence of past behaviour a no vote would win that race easily.

So the destruction of terms and conditions is not an argument to vote no.

As I've said before the only "sensible" reason to vote no is if you genuinely believe it will improve our situation and you're willing to pay the price if it makes things worse.

There are other reasons to vote no but they are all emotional and definitely not sensible.

I remember pretty much saying what you said last year in here & got called a manager for keeping it real.
End of the day the job is doomed long run. Anyone thinking it can be saved is deluded. The process of it getting worse can be slowed down but the writing is on the wall.
2 sensible options are, stay & accept it's going to get worse or leave to find something better.
The 3rd idiotic option is to stay & complain like alot on here are doing

[enskied]

We’ll said drake,at the end of the day people need a job,yes delivery’s are big but you have a start time/finish time

You will not have a finish time though
You will be flexing and lapsing with no otime payment just less hours in the summer
Read the agreement not the £ signs

There are no £ signs. No overtime.