My reasons for voting yes

[rambo1]

AGAIN ! information overload, desperate for a yes vote to save their skins !

its a big NO from me !

Wouldn't say it was 'overload' I thought it was very clear and concise.

[Acca Dacca]

There are a lot of delusional people on here with their head in the sand. Need to get a grip and realise this is not the past. We are not a national postal service , we are a business who need to make money. I f we don't for a prolonged period , business goes. Simple. We do need a change at the top because they have made a complete hash of running the business, but the changes will still have to come. Whoever is in charge. I suggest if you don't like the deal, work to time , do the job right ,take you breaks ,live a healthy life and take best care not to be sick. Nobody likes harsh truths but sometimes the truth is not what you want to hear. End of the day it's a job and if you feel there are better suited, paid, with better conditions jobs you could do . Do it. Nobody says you have to work for RM for life. Embrace change and look for positives in things. If you don't like the deal, vote with your feet not your pen, and move on to another job but don't vote no because (you think) it will improve this deal , because it won't. It will just make your workmates lives worse. I'm not even a CWU member since i was shafted on my 9 day fortnight duty over 8yrs ago so I have no vested interest in trying to persuade either way. I'm just seeing the situation for what it is with a clear head and no malice for anyone.

If you’re not a CWU member I suggest you dont pontificate how we should vote

[rambo1]

There are a lot of delusional people on here with their head in the sand. Need to get a grip and realise this is not the past. We are not a national postal service , we are a business who need to make money. I f we don't for a prolonged period , business goes. Simple. We do need a change at the top because they have made a complete hash of running the business, but the changes will still have to come. Whoever is in charge. I suggest if you don't like the deal, work to time , do the job right ,take you breaks ,live a healthy life and take best care not to be sick. Nobody likes harsh truths but sometimes the truth is not what you want to hear. End of the day it's a job and if you feel there are better suited, paid, with better conditions jobs you could do . Do it. Nobody says you have to work for RM for life. Embrace change and look for positives in things. If you don't like the deal, vote with your feet not your pen, and move on to another job but don't vote no because (you think) it will improve this deal , because it won't. It will just make your workmates lives worse. I'm not even a CWU member since i was shafted on my 9 day fortnight duty over 8yrs ago so I have no vested interest in trying to persuade either way. I'm just seeing the situation for what it is with a clear head and no malice for anyone.

If you’re not a CWU member I suggest you dont pontificate how we should vote

Why? Am I not allowed an opinion? I'm not allowed a vote ,yes, but nobody will stop me giving an honest and open opinion. I am not telling people how to vote . Not like many people on here are.

[Acca Dacca]

There are a lot of delusional people on here with their head in the sand. Need to get a grip and realise this is not the past. We are not a national postal service , we are a business who need to make money. I f we don't for a prolonged period , business goes. Simple. We do need a change at the top because they have made a complete hash of running the business, but the changes will still have to come. Whoever is in charge. I suggest if you don't like the deal, work to time , do the job right ,take you breaks ,live a healthy life and take best care not to be sick. Nobody likes harsh truths but sometimes the truth is not what you want to hear. End of the day it's a job and if you feel there are better suited, paid, with better conditions jobs you could do . Do it. Nobody says you have to work for RM for life. Embrace change and look for positives in things. If you don't like the deal, vote with your feet not your pen, and move on to another job but don't vote no because (you think) it will improve this deal , because it won't. It will just make your workmates lives worse. I'm not even a CWU member since i was shafted on my 9 day fortnight duty over 8yrs ago so I have no vested interest in trying to persuade either way. I'm just seeing the situation for what it is with a clear head and no malice for anyone.

If you’re not a CWU member I suggest you dont pontificate how we should vote

Why? Am I not allowed an opinion? I'm not allowed a vote ,yes, but nobody will stop me giving an honest and open opinion. I am not telling people how to vote . Not like many people on here are.

Yes and no one cares about your opinion

You “used the pen” when you weren’t personally happy with something by choosing to stop contributing to our union without thinking of your colleagues - as is your right - but don’t come on here and tell us who have lost a lot of money in industrial action how we should vote, how if we don’t like it just leave and expect anyone to take it seriously

You chose not to have a say - we aren’t doing the voting for you

[rambo1]

There are a lot of delusional people on here with their head in the sand. Need to get a grip and realise this is not the past. We are not a national postal service , we are a business who need to make money. I f we don't for a prolonged period , business goes. Simple. We do need a change at the top because they have made a complete hash of running the business, but the changes will still have to come. Whoever is in charge. I suggest if you don't like the deal, work to time , do the job right ,take you breaks ,live a healthy life and take best care not to be sick. Nobody likes harsh truths but sometimes the truth is not what you want to hear. End of the day it's a job and if you feel there are better suited, paid, with better conditions jobs you could do . Do it. Nobody says you have to work for RM for life. Embrace change and look for positives in things. If you don't like the deal, vote with your feet not your pen, and move on to another job but don't vote no because (you think) it will improve this deal , because it won't. It will just make your workmates lives worse. I'm not even a CWU member since i was shafted on my 9 day fortnight duty over 8yrs ago so I have no vested interest in trying to persuade either way. I'm just seeing the situation for what it is with a clear head and no malice for anyone.

If you’re not a CWU member I suggest you dont pontificate how we should vote

Why? Am I not allowed an opinion? I'm not allowed a vote ,yes, but nobody will stop me giving an honest and open opinion. I am not telling people how to vote . Not like many people on here are.

Yes and no one cares about your opinion

You “used the pen” when you weren’t personally happy with something by choosing to stop contributing to our union without thinking of your colleagues - as is your right - but don’t come on here and tell us who have lost a lot of money in industrial action how we should vote, if we don’t like it just leave and expect anyone to take it seriously

You chose not to have a say - we aren’t doing the voting for you

I also chose to lose money by standing by the union and respecting my colleagues by not going into work on strike days, and even more than most union members by not working my days off to clear the backlog. So I'd appreciate it if ,on an open forum, open to ALL royal mail employees, you didn't tell me what I can and can't say or contribute to a debate and discussion. I wasn't aware that it was only open to no voting CWU members.

[Acca Dacca]

You literally don’t have a say

You left. No ballot paper is heading your way.

Now you are telling us who who have a say how we should vote

If you wanted a say you’d still be a member

There ends the lesson

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Martin Walsh in a personal capacity.

Well, that's all well and good, and if we didn't have the core problems of B&H, overwork, no investigation into the increase of sick levels and correlation with the increase of outside work time, management culture etc, I probably would vote yes.

But NONE of those core issues for me has been addressed, so in good conscience, I can't do anything but vote No.

[rambo1]

You literally don’t have a say

You left. No ballot paper is heading your way.

Now you are telling us who who have a say how we should vote

If you wanted a say you’d still be a member

There ends the lesson

Accadacca, I have not told people how to vote. Many on here have. Guess that's ok if paying subs , in your eyes?

[Shadedpostie]

It's not even just members not seeing any benefits from this agreement (there really isn't considering what we have/had), members aren't even seeing any positive changes NOW. Nothing in the workplace is pointing towards the company moving in the right direction! You still have walks being left for days and they are STILL prioritising tracked parcels even after the committee. How can you expect people to believe in this deal on the respecting the USO if they aren't even seeing these changes themselves? And don't give me the "well it starts with the agreement," a good company would make that extra step to gain staff's trust! All this agreement does is give us ifs and maybes.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

You literally don’t have a say

You left. No ballot paper is heading your way.

Now you are telling us who who have a say how we should vote

If you wanted a say you’d still be a member

There ends the lesson

I disagree this is not a Union site, and we do not charge membership. You can throw him out of a Union meeting, but in a democratic society, we should not silence anyone even if we disagree with them on an open forum. Unless of course, you want to go down the Russian totalitarian state way or the American hate fest that passes for Politics at the moment.

Yes, I am a strong pr-union, but an Echo Chamber where everyone agrees with each other and no one is allowed to post if they don't is not a site I would be willing to continue being a member.

Having said the language he used "delusional", "need to get a grip" and my personal favourite pet hate "don't like it, leave" are also not conducive to a balanced discussion or a polite exchange of different views.

[Acca Dacca]

You literally don’t have a say

You left. No ballot paper is heading your way.

Now you are telling us who who have a say how we should vote

If you wanted a say you’d still be a member

There ends the lesson

I disagree this is not a Union site, and we do not charge membership. You can throw him out of a Union meeting, but in a democratic society, we should not silence anyone even if we disagree with them on an open forum. Unless of course, you want to go down the Russian totalitarian state way or the American hate fest that passes for Politics at the moment.

Yes, I am a strong pr-union, but an Echo Chamber where everyone agrees with each other and no one is allowed to post if they don't is not a site I would be willing to continue being a member.

Having said the language he used "delusional", "need to get a grip" and my personal favourite pet hate "don't like it, leave" are also not conducive to a balanced discussion or a polite exchange of different views.

Having an opinion is one thing but shouldn’t be telling us how to vote and telling us we should find another job if we aren’t happy

His opening post was inflammatory and had no respect in itself

I don’t care if another user is or isn’t a CWU member or criticises the CWU - I’m far from a cheerleader of the CWU as my post history shows - but what I don’t like is someone telling others to vote on their behalf in the manner he did

[Belgium]

This Forum now just seems a place for anti union propaganda and people wanting to see the business go down the drain along with 125,000 jobs
any discussion that does not involve voting no or slagging the union off is met with disdain and sometimes abuse, yet none of these people can come up with a credible alternative, most of them say they are not bothered if the company goes to the wall as there are plenty of better jobs out there and yet here they still are clinging on to the bitter end when they could be enjoying those so called better jobs

[CRIBMAD]

There are a lot of delusional people on here with their head in the sand. Need to get a grip and realise this is not the past. We are not a national postal service , we are a business who need to make money. I f we don't for a prolonged period , business goes. Simple. We do need a change at the top because they have made a complete hash of running the business, but the changes will still have to come. Whoever is in charge. I suggest if you don't like the deal, work to time , do the job right ,take you breaks ,live a healthy life and take best care not to be sick. Nobody likes harsh truths but sometimes the truth is not what you want to hear. End of the day it's a job and if you feel there are better suited, paid, with better conditions jobs you could do . Do it. Nobody says you have to work for RM for life. Embrace change and look for positives in things. If you don't like the deal, vote with your feet not your pen, and move on to another job but don't vote no because (you think) it will improve this deal , because it won't. It will just make your workmates lives worse. I'm not even a CWU member since i was shafted on my 9 day fortnight duty over 8yrs ago so I have no vested interest in trying to persuade either way. I'm just seeing the situation for what it is with a clear head and no malice for anyone.

If you’re not a CWU member I suggest you dont pontificate how we should vote

exactly ! i was just going to post the same comment - UNREAL !

[taurus88]

You haven’t improved anything though, Martin. You’ve given RM what they always wanted - they started from a position of absurdity because they knew they could pressurise the union. You’ve fallen into the trap, and are now looking to save face. Consider now how bad your negotiating position will be for the next deal, considering how much ground you’ve ceded to them this time around. Compulsory redundancies are a certainty in 2025.

[hfcbkk1875]

Thanks Martin .
12 reasons to vote no .
Remove the enemy within the cwu.
Remove ward ,furry and the shysters on pec .
#cwu we're-still-hiding

Saying thanks martin then asking him to be removed from pec??

It's a bit of sarcasm mate .
Maybe doesn't translate well on the net .

It's a sell out deal that's why I want them removed .paint it anyway the like sellout is a sellout .

Remove the enemy within the cwu .
Remove ward,furey and the shysters on pec .