What I meant by reading the room

[rambo1]

When will the vote be? You say 'the next few weeks '! It's dragging on long enough, please don't tell me it's going to be another month before we get a yes or no.

[dazzler123]

If they can pull the sick pay move with EA anyway, it's all futile. Feels like it's been a massive waste of time kept in the dark

[post6675]

guys i know there is a lot of emotion and opinions due to this rather poor deal but dont take it out on the guy trying to update the site. who is going to come on a site to update us if al they get is abuse!

[chickenwittle]

Listen this is an agreement which needs explaining and seen in the round.

The choice for everyone in the ballot is :

1. Vote Yes and whilst the agreement is not perfect and is an agreement which has changed all of Royal Mail’s plans for the better.

2. Or vote no and we will go on strike again and Royal Mail will have to show to the market it has a business plan which it can implement to keep it a going concern. That means they need to introduce more change by executive action and cut more jobs.

If they don’t avoid going to the wall then we are in uncharted waters , any administrator will not be interested in pay , sick pay , revisions , flexibility, all it will do is try and keep uso going and that means thousands of job losses and cuts to terms and conditions.

Do you really think if we thought there was anything else we could get we would have not tried.

Lots who are angry about pay would be even more angry if the union gambled with your jobs and Royal Mail went in administration and you stopped getting regular pay etc.

We do believe this agreement is the best we can get in the current circumstances and It has protections throughout.

On sick pay it was Hobson’s choice Royal Mail were either imposing it by Executive action or we modified the change including stopping the company automatically issuing stage 1 and 2 absences and having the ability if sick levels drop to remove the SSP pay for absences after the 1st.

There will be lots of meetings to explain this deal over the next few weeks and then the members will design but go into either option with your eyes open.

With all due respect MArtin walsh - and I do respect you as you do keep the membership informed and give decent rationale, but with all due respect:

""I’d rather smash it to bits than hand it over to them," TP

If we gonna go down we go down fighting!

And I cannot believe union (you have the costings) would rather protect the minority with legacy allowances than to appease the broader membership with some other form of benefit to our t&c's, these legacy allowances are gone and only serve to enrich the minority of the rapidly depleting membership population

Totally agree these legacy payments should have been used in our favour to get the whole membership a better deal rather than looking after a few old boys as usual.

[rambo1]

I think a lot of us would take the risk and go on statuary redundancy there would be enough takers as its about the same as the crap vr deal meaning those who want to stay may have a better outlook in the future possibly gov owned as it has an obligation to the public no matter what people say can't be worse than these bunch of rsoles

CWU should have negotiated all who wanted VR to get VR, even on crap terms. It would have got rid of head count that RM say they needed to make the business perform and give those left a better outlook?

[77SAMPOST77]

guys i know there is a lot of emotion and opinions due to this rather poor deal but dont take it out on the guy trying to update the site. who is going to come on a site to update us if al they get is abuse!

We respect Martin for coming on and updating us but that comment that we need to read the the room was a big mistake ,

How can we read the room when we are kept in the dark for months on end .

[Sputters]

Listen this is an agreement which needs explaining and seen in the round.

The choice for everyone in the ballot is :

1. Vote Yes and whilst the agreement is not perfect and is an agreement which has changed all of Royal Mail’s plans for the better.

2. Or vote no and we will go on strike again and Royal Mail will have to show to the market it has a business plan which it can implement to keep it a going concern. That means they need to introduce more change by executive action and cut more jobs.

If they don’t avoid going to the wall then we are in uncharted waters , any administrator will not be interested in pay , sick pay , revisions , flexibility, all it will do is try and keep uso going and that means thousands of job losses and cuts to terms and conditions.

Do you really think if we thought there was anything else we could get we would have not tried.

Lots who are angry about pay would be even more angry if the union gambled with your jobs and Royal Mail went in administration and you stopped getting regular pay etc.

We do believe this agreement is the best we can get in the current circumstances and It has protections throughout.

On sick pay it was Hobson’s choice Royal Mail were either imposing it by Executive action or we modified the change including stopping the company automatically issuing stage 1 and 2 absences and having the ability if sick levels drop to remove the SSP pay for absences after the 1st.

There will be lots of meetings to explain this deal over the next few weeks and then the members will design but go into either option with your eyes open.

And I cannot believe union (you have the costings) would rather protect the minority with legacy allowances than to appease the broader membership with some other form of benefit to our t&c's, these legacy allowances are gone and only serve to enrich the minority of the rapidly depleting membership population

if its a minority and depleting membership population why is it a problem .we will be gone soon, and then your allowances will be a problem to other people.

[Rommagic]

Martin how many job cuts total?.

[needadvice]

guys i know there is a lot of emotion and opinions due to this rather poor deal but dont take it out on the guy trying to update the site. who is going to come on a site to update us if al they get is abuse!

We respect Martin for coming on and updating us but that comment that we need to read the the room was a big mistake ,

How can we read the room when we are kept in the dark for months on end .

Correct. We all need going into a neautral room because the only room we have been inside is the enemy's territory

[enskied]

Martin is not the saviour, if he had all the answers he would have said. Instead he kept quiet...

And now sells a crock of s**t.

[RHONE]

My problem is I can't trust anything the company say anymore in my 20+ years the way forward they called it was the start of the lies ,job and finish we do are part in the deal then they take there part away,2 in 6 gone 35 HR week gone this deal is for 2 years then what ........... They have started something that I hope us. (the workforce) finish because as been stated many times ENOUGH IS ENOUGH 500 years this company has been making money and if anything it's probably more profitable now so
NO I'm not interested in the offer it's take take take and in 2 more years it will be here we go again ..... We've had enough.

[POP2022]

End of the line for me, the job has become worse and worse over the last few years. This deal is appalling and the job won’t be worth doing. I will be voting no and will encourage others to vote no. Been a tough year for posties and I think the senior guys in the union have made far too many errors. You have had several massive mandates, as I said at the start, should have been an all out strike. All momentum has been lost. Feel sorry for people who have less options to change job but I will be doing the minimum possible until I leave with plenty of additional leave.

[sixfoottwo]

I think a lot of us would take the risk and go on statuary redundancy there would be enough takers as its about the same as the crap vr deal meaning those who want to stay may have a better outlook in the future possibly gov owned as it has an obligation to the public no matter what people say can't be worse than these bunch of rsoles

CWU should have negotiated all who wanted VR to get VR, even on crap terms. It would have got rid of head count that RM say they needed to make the business perform and give those left a better outlook?

Agreed, I'd have took it but sadly I was too far down the list the Rep got it though

[Boltonian-White]

Martin takes the time to explain the situation which is far more complicated than anyone realizes and people give him s**t over it.

So many angry people...... short sighted though.

This is exactly why the CWU represent us because if this is an accurate representation of the membership there are so many thick c*nts in it.

Not a perfect deal. Not a fair deal. But then guess feckin what? Life isn't feckin fair you thick fecks.

Getting my violin out now for you moaning little children

[Yamr1]

Martin Walsh we love the update But it's a no from me and from all off the members in my office and it looks like the UK and mostly in delivery