RMG/CWU BUSINESS RECOVERY, TRANSFORMATION AND GROWTH AGREEMENT:Sick pay-Attendance Standards-IHR

[Sloanranger360]

As if you can ‘manage sickness’ … this such a joke as you can’t stop people getting ill. More management bollocks. I agree with the comment that changes to sick pay/attendance standards should have been a red line for the CWU given that our job is so physical. Punitive and not supportive. I will be voting no.

[Grads75]

In a job as physical as letter deliveries there is no way the CWU should have allowed a reduction on sick pay. It should have been a red line. This and the shocking pay deal are the two main reasons im finding it hard to accept this deal.

100% agree sick pay for delivery staff who are now walking 4 half hrs and more will struggle union are out of touch

[Linden14]

Can we have a live meeting this is beyond bad

[Linden14]

A future hope of profit share don't buy the bread now

[stevejm]

A future hope of profit share don't buy the bread now

Get real and real quick!!!! Do the maths!! Profit share will NEVER buy the bread!!!

First of all its only Royal Mail profit and not IDS Mail - Royal Mail is loss making normally.

Second - to turn around the company from loss making to profy will take at least a couple of years - well guess what - after 2 years (march 2025) profit sharing stops.

Third - lets say by some miracle R.M made 100 million profit. Well 20% which is 20 million is set aside for the slaves.
Divide 20 million by 115,000 workers. It comes to £174.

But again - you have no chance of seeing that paltry £174 anyway. Ever. Forget it.

Vote no to this bullshit.

[Linden14]

2022 2% are we supposed to forget

[guardianangel]

As if you can ‘manage sickness’ … this such a joke as you can’t stop people getting ill. More management bollocks. I agree with the comment that changes to sick pay/attendance standards should have been a red line for the CWU given that our job is so physical. Punitive and not supportive. I will be voting no.

Well said ,our job is physical and in all weathers any union official who agreed to changes to sick or IHR benefit needs a spell in the loony bin,i'll be voting NO too.

[77SAMPOST77]

Awful deal , VOTE NO

[SillySinStorm]

Something clearly needs to done about the people that take advantage of the current sick pay situation (like the girl in our office who went home with Covid at 6am on saturday only to be all over her social media pissed up over the Bank Holiday).

[royalanneb]

I’ve always found it odd that people come back after 6 months leave and still have their years entitlement for holiday to take !! I would have thought you would get your holiday entitlement based on number of months worked. I personally never rebooked holiday if I was on long term sick and my holiday was in my long term sick period. It’s not like I wasn’t able to go on holiday……I might not have been able to go on an adventure holiday……but how many knackered posties go on that sort of holiday.

[Boltonian-White]

I’ve always found it odd that people come back after 6 months leave and still have their years entitlement for holiday to take !! I would have thought you would get your holiday entitlement based on number of months worked. I personally never rebooked holiday if I was on long term sick and my holiday was in my long term sick period. It’s not like I wasn’t able to go on holiday……I might not have been able to go on an adventure holiday……but how many knackered posties go on that sort of holiday.

What's odd about it? Go on. I can see how you've applied it to your own situation and you'll find your outstanding annual leave while off sick should have been automatically carried over. Was it not carried over? Why?

I've known posties who are physically unable to take a holiday while off long term sick so I don't find it odd at all. Why should they lose annual leave for something out of their control?

[royalanneb]

I just think it’s fairer for all workers if annual leave is pro rata amount of time actually worked. If Royal Mail had to make cuts I think it’s one way of Royal Mail showing appreciation for staff who don’t take much sick leave. Any long term sick would still have the same amount of holiday pro rata as someone who had no time of sick.

[Boltonian-White]

I just think it’s fairer for all workers if annual leave is pro rata amount of time actually worked. If Royal Mail had to make cuts I think it’s one way of Royal Mail showing appreciation for staff who don’t take much sick leave. Any long term sick would still have the same amount of holiday pro rata as someone who had no time of sick.

Bit of a strange way of thinking. So you are basically saying punish people for being sick?
People who have broken limbs, operations, cancer diagnosis etc etc.
Isn't that discrimination?

[postslippete]

I rarely go on sick but given that we will be working longer delivery spans with more hours also being worked in winter our sick policy should either remain as it is or we should be working a SWW all year round to compensate. The shorter working week was something that the union were keen to push to help mitigate bigger deliveries. Unfortunately, they have failed on both counts.

[Boltonian-White]

I rarely go on sick but given that we will be working longer delivery spans with more hours also being worked in winter our sick policy should either remain as it is or we should be working a SWW all year round to compensate. The shorter working week was something that the union were keen to push to help mitigate bigger deliveries. Unfortunately, they have failed on both counts.

I think the SWW was knackered by those who decided to start an hour earlier every day so they could job and knock. Hence the crazy revisions that are happening.

Have the union failed us or have we failed ourselves? I seem to remember the union saying do the job properly.