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FilthyBloke
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Re: Delivery routes not being covered.

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Jb1969 wrote:
10 Apr 2023, 11:09
Taking into account the above replies(appreciated)are a tiny representation of the delivery offices within the UK, one would suspect that 1000’s of deliveries are being failed on a daily basis.
So, the USO is an Act of Parliament, its law, under what grounds do you think the board can justify breaking the USO?
Is this just a financial decision?
Do you believe it’s pressure to possibly move it to a 3 day delivery?
Any other comments are welcome.
Suppose some of it could be down to sickness and not being able to get it done on overtime?
Understaffing?

I think RM would love it to be a 3/4 day delivery. Even 5 would be a good starter for them.
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Re: Delivery routes not being covered.

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Grads75 wrote:
09 Apr 2023, 23:08
Have they put the full 2 yr vrs back in as per mtsf agreement
Their proposal says that the MTSF agreement will apply in regard to headcount reductions EXCEPT for VR terms.
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Re: Delivery routes not being covered.

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FilthyBloke wrote:
10 Apr 2023, 11:19
Jb1969 wrote:
10 Apr 2023, 11:09
Taking into account the above replies(appreciated)are a tiny representation of the delivery offices within the UK, one would suspect that 1000’s of deliveries are being failed on a daily basis.
So, the USO is an Act of Parliament, its law, under what grounds do you think the board can justify breaking the USO?
Is this just a financial decision?
Do you believe it’s pressure to possibly move it to a 3 day delivery?
Any other comments are welcome.
Suppose some of it could be down to sickness and not being able to get it done on overtime?
Understaffing?

I think RM would love it to be a 3/4 day delivery. Even 5 would be a good starter for them.
Posties bringing work back, because the revisions have made some walks impossible to do, would have no regard to sickness.but could have a knock on affect to posties going sick,
FilthyBloke
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Re: Delivery routes not being covered.

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seaside wrote:
10 Apr 2023, 13:16
FilthyBloke wrote:
10 Apr 2023, 11:19
Jb1969 wrote:
10 Apr 2023, 11:09
Taking into account the above replies(appreciated)are a tiny representation of the delivery offices within the UK, one would suspect that 1000’s of deliveries are being failed on a daily basis.
So, the USO is an Act of Parliament, its law, under what grounds do you think the board can justify breaking the USO?
Is this just a financial decision?
Do you believe it’s pressure to possibly move it to a 3 day delivery?
Any other comments are welcome.
Suppose some of it could be down to sickness and not being able to get it done on overtime?
Understaffing?

I think RM would love it to be a 3/4 day delivery. Even 5 would be a good starter for them.
Posties bringing work back, because the revisions have made some walks impossible to do, would have no regard to sickness.but could have a knock on affect to posties going sick,
Yep. The stress and mental health issues will soar. No doubt. I keep saying to people on here that the best thing to do is tell your manager before you go out (with a colleague present) that you may not finish. Don’t debate with them, just state your opinion and ask if they would prefer you left some or bring it back (again don’t debate, if they begin to question just walk away), and then inform them you will update them half way round when you know more.
Then call them at noon or whenever is your half way point, again stating your opinion not debate and let them know how much you’ll be returning.

And then just work to your time and go home. No debating. No heated discussions. Just try and stay calm. Red mist could be what they are trying to provoke.

Make sure you leave no bread crumbs for debate though. Don’t to over your lunch break. No idling etc.
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Re: Delivery routes not being covered.

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FilthyBloke wrote:
10 Apr 2023, 13:27

Yep. The stress and mental health issues will soar. No doubt. I keep saying to people on here that the best thing to do is tell your manager before you go out (with a colleague present) that you may not finish. Don’t debate with them, just state your opinion and ask if they would prefer you left some or bring it back (again don’t debate, if they begin to question just walk away), and then inform them you will update them half way round when you know more.
Then call them at noon or whenever is your half way point, again stating your opinion not debate and let them know how much you’ll be returning.

And then just work to your time and go home. No debating. No heated discussions. Just try and stay calm. Red mist could be what they are trying to provoke.

Make sure you leave no bread crumbs for debate though. Don’t to over your lunch break. No idling etc.
I don't even do that. I say to the manager "I'm taking everything with me and I'll stop when it's time to come back. If you want me to prioritise anything please send me a text when I'm out there, I'm going to do my van checks now." Funny thing: they never put in writing an instruction to prioritise anything.
FilthyBloke
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Re: Delivery routes not being covered.

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Kenfandango wrote:
10 Apr 2023, 13:56
FilthyBloke wrote:
10 Apr 2023, 13:27

Yep. The stress and mental health issues will soar. No doubt. I keep saying to people on here that the best thing to do is tell your manager before you go out (with a colleague present) that you may not finish. Don’t debate with them, just state your opinion and ask if they would prefer you left some or bring it back (again don’t debate, if they begin to question just walk away), and then inform them you will update them half way round when you know more.
Then call them at noon or whenever is your half way point, again stating your opinion not debate and let them know how much you’ll be returning.

And then just work to your time and go home. No debating. No heated discussions. Just try and stay calm. Red mist could be what they are trying to provoke.

Make sure you leave no bread crumbs for debate though. Don’t to over your lunch break. No idling etc.
I don't even do that. I say to the manager "I'm taking everything with me and I'll stop when it's time to come back. If you want me to prioritise anything please send me a text when I'm out there, I'm going to do my van checks now." Funny thing: they never put in writing an instruction to prioritise anything.
That’s good that you have that and the peace of mind with it!
And they won’t put it in writing because that leads to bread crumbs which lead back to them.
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Re: Delivery routes not being covered.

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stevejm wrote:
09 Apr 2023, 22:10
k979aaa wrote:
09 Apr 2023, 19:43
25% to 33% but we do have a lot of sickness take note they will not pay your 2nd absence in future!
not true - they won't pay the 1st 3 days of any absence after the first
So have you ever tried to claim SSP while your employed?
norris9
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Re: Delivery routes not being covered.

Post by norris9 »

Sickness is irrelevant in our office....

There's simply no desire to recruit and hasn't been for years. Royal Mail are happy to rip off the customer and deliver an absolutely terrible service. Our revisions are coming in soon and will make things even worse.

Only good thing is - the management should fully expect us to be bringing stuff back daily, so there's been less hassle to complete each day compared to the past and that should continue. Line managers can't say much about you not completing and it's so much easier to bring back tracked parcels these days.

Just enjoy the line manager's face when you come back with 3 loops and 15 tracked parcels.

Let them suffer and have to explain it to the management above them.
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Re: Delivery routes not being covered.

Post by sixfoottwo »

Kenfandango wrote:
10 Apr 2023, 13:56
FilthyBloke wrote:
10 Apr 2023, 13:27

Yep. The stress and mental health issues will soar. No doubt. I keep saying to people on here that the best thing to do is tell your manager before you go out (with a colleague present) that you may not finish. Don’t debate with them, just state your opinion and ask if they would prefer you left some or bring it back (again don’t debate, if they begin to question just walk away), and then inform them you will update them half way round when you know more.
Then call them at noon or whenever is your half way point, again stating your opinion not debate and let them know how much you’ll be returning.

And then just work to your time and go home. No debating. No heated discussions. Just try and stay calm. Red mist could be what they are trying to provoke.

Make sure you leave no bread crumbs for debate though. Don’t to over your lunch break. No idling etc.

I don't even do that. I say to the manager "I'm taking everything with me and I'll stop when it's time to come back. If you want me to prioritise anything please send me a text when I'm out there, I'm going to do my van checks now." Funny thing: they never put in writing an instruction to prioritise anything.
Similar to me although I take enough out to see me to my time, Screws know the score and they do ask you to prioritise tracked which I do, just mean less mail gets done but I'm not fussed about that these days, back on time and thats it.
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Re: Delivery routes not being covered.

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We last cleared our office on Xmas Eve 2021. On Mother's Day this year we partially failed or completely failed 33 out of 44 duties. Barely any recruitment. Last I heard we had 300 hours of vacancies.
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Re: Delivery routes not being covered.

Post by LouBarlow »

norris9 wrote:
10 Apr 2023, 15:38

Just enjoy the line manager's face when you come back with 3 loops and 15 tracked parcels.

Let them suffer and have to explain it to the management above them.
What is the process for cutting off in your office? Our revision is due to go live soon, and it would be interesting to get some clarification. We’ve had people conduct coded (one dismissed) for bringing back mail this way. In the past, we always would inform beforehand if we couldn’t complete and only take enough out to fill our time. Is it national policy to bring mail back now instead?
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Re: Delivery routes not being covered.

Post by enskied »

FilthyBloke wrote:
10 Apr 2023, 11:19
Jb1969 wrote:
10 Apr 2023, 11:09
Taking into account the above replies(appreciated)are a tiny representation of the delivery offices within the UK, one would suspect that 1000’s of deliveries are being failed on a daily basis.
So, the USO is an Act of Parliament, its law, under what grounds do you think the board can justify breaking the USO?
Is this just a financial decision?
Do you believe it’s pressure to possibly move it to a 3 day delivery?
Any other comments are welcome.
Suppose some of it could be down to sickness and not being able to get it done on overtime?
Understaffing?

I think RM would love it to be a 3/4 day delivery. Even 5 would be a good starter for them.
The "Spokes Person " has been suggesting to the customer that a every other delivery is ok.
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Easter Saturday is usually dead in Scotland, so the lapsing went out for the first time in four days. The office still didn't clear.

Living on a lapsed walk is like living twenty minutes into the future: twenty years ago there were two deliveries a day, then it got cut down to one, now we can't even guarantee one a day.
The machine stops.
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Another day in and another massive failure :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: