Should all the union PEC be replaced?

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Dunning and Kruger.

[Martin Walsh]

As a PE member you have the right to get rid of us at the ballot box later this year.

But if you are going to judge us then you have to tell me what you would do differently?

1. Talks have been extended to the 24th March. There cannot be a resolution to the dispute unless there is an acceptable agreement.

2. The talks are very difficult, made harder by the worsening financial position of the company which threatens it future.

3. Royal Mail need two things , one a deal and one a deal which shows banks and creditors it has a viable future.

4. The unions role is reduce the cost associated by Royal Mail’s change program as every change initiative has a price tag to it. In addition we want a better pay deal and backdated pay. Remember every 1% backdated to April is worth 40 million. Royal Mail are estimated to be announcing a loss of 500 million before VR costs so the back pay will be on top of that.

5. We fully realise that members and reps are under sustained pressure from unachievable workload and we know the USO is being run down.

6. This Postal Executive have announced more strike action then any Postal Executive since 1971. Do you really think that if we thought simply announcing strike action would move us into a better position, we would not have done it before now. That is after all the popular call.

7. Those who have said the Government would step in , are forgetting that whilst the USO is covered by the postal services act , less than 10% of workload is actually titled as part of the USO and there is competition laws which forbid a government favouring one company against others.

8. We are after a good deal in very difficult circumstances. We will either achieve that within the next few days or we will be looking at action but we be going into that with our eyes wide open.

9. It is easy for people who are writing on sites like this to be critical but those who have all the facts have to weigh up the options and at the moment to allow those talks to go on whilst trying to ease tensions is the right option.

10. As someone who has been involved in the joint statement as a reference point on deliveries every Division has reported that there are real issues in the field with targets , DPR’s and USO failures but there has been a pause on revisions being imposed. It is an imperfect fragile peace but walking away from the joint statement won’t improve it anymore.

So it is your right to criticise but everyone on the PE wants to win this dispute and protect jobs , terms snd conditions and improve pay. These are the most difficult set of negotiations I have been involved in my 39 years in the job and where the stakes are higher than ever in every sense if the way. Believe me if over the next few days we don’t get over the line on an acceptable agreement then everyone will have the opportunity to be on the gate.

[Clappedoutpostie]

Come on people when are you going to realise that’s it’s not the union screwing you over it’s the company, it’s not the union selling you out it’s the company.

The feeling amongst members is understandable but see all the mess for what it is and what a wonderful employer we all work for. Yes mistakes have been made but the lunatics who are running the company have been trying different dirty tactics that have changed often on a daily basis.

We are in a bad place but ask yourself where we would be at this moment without the CWU

Let’s see what happens in the next couple of weeks then we can sit down and judge.

[templar]

Keep at it Martin. Obviously not easy.

[2chorizon]

As a PE member you have the right to get rid of us at the ballot box later this year.

But if you are going to judge us then you have to tell me what you would do differently?


9. It is easy for people who are writing on sites like this to be critical but those who have all the facts have to weigh up the options and at the moment to allow those talks to go on whilst trying to ease tensions is the right option.

You were going great until no9 ^

We keep hearing about "easing tensions",
but in fact we all now suspect that all you are interested in and doing in these "talks" is talking about "Sacked Rep's"

If that is what you are spending all your time discussing & pursuing in these meetings then i want you all gone and the leadership.

[pieoftheday]

I just don't believe the finances are that bad,that crap has been spouted for at least 20yrs.

[Shadedpostie]

As a PE member you have the right to get rid of us at the ballot box later this year.

But if you are going to judge us then you have to tell me what you would do differently?

1. Talks have been extended to the 24th March. There cannot be a resolution to the dispute unless there is an acceptable agreement.

2. The talks are very difficult, made harder by the worsening financial position of the company which threatens it future.

3. Royal Mail need two things , one a deal and one a deal which shows banks and creditors it has a viable future.

4. The unions role is reduce the cost associated by Royal Mail’s change program as every change initiative has a price tag to it. In addition we want a better pay deal and backdated pay. Remember every 1% backdated to April is worth 40 million. Royal Mail are estimated to be announcing a loss of 500 million before VR costs so the back pay will be on top of that.

5. We fully realise that members and reps are under sustained pressure from unachievable workload and we know the USO is being run down.

6. This Postal Executive have announced more strike action then any Postal Executive since 1971. Do you really think that if we thought simply announcing strike action would move us into a better position, we would not have done it before now. That is after all the popular call.

7. Those who have said the Government would step in , are forgetting that whilst the USO is covered by the postal services act , less than 10% of workload is actually titled as part of the USO and there is competition laws which forbid a government favouring one company against others.

8. We are after a good deal in very difficult circumstances. We will either achieve that within the next few days or we will be looking at action but we be going into that with our eyes wide open.

9. It is easy for people who are writing on sites like this to be critical but those who have all the facts have to weigh up the options and at the moment to allow those talks to go on whilst trying to ease tensions is the right option.

10. As someone who has been involved in the joint statement as a reference point on deliveries every Division has reported that there are real issues in the field with targets , DPR’s and USO failures but there has been a pause on revisions being imposed. It is an imperfect fragile peace but walking away from the joint statement won’t improve it anymore.

So it is your right to criticise but everyone on the PE wants to win this dispute and protect jobs , terms snd conditions and improve pay. These are the most difficult set of negotiations I have been involved in my 39 years in the job and where the stakes are higher than ever in every sense if the way. Believe me if over the next few days we don’t get over the line on an acceptable agreement then everyone will have the opportunity to be on the gate.

I'd be a lot more clear on what exactly we are striking for for one. We heard the term "striking for our terms and conditions and a pay rise". I find it odd that it's been nearly a year and we've still not heard the union's offer of what percentage they are asking for yet you hear other unions offers in different sections of jobs. We've heard the company's version of theirs, but not yours. Hence why normally when you ask any postman why the strikes it's "to protect our terms and conditions". The frustration comes from past deals of "take and take" and giving bare minimum back to us.

The fact that the overtime is still shockingly low despite business basically surviving off it, and in their words they what to reduce that by 50% is embarrassing. Is that even being discussed or is it just stopping them taking everything? Isn't even a negotiation if one side benefits, all I'm saying.

And, if they are not going through with the joint statement, then should pull out of the talks the moment you even hear any activities suggesting they are not sticking with the agreement . There are THOUSANDS of postman telling you they are not .I can't really afford to strike now with bills going up and basically savings are dust now, but respect the result of the ballot and those wanting to go on strike.

If the company is in a bad shape, then you need to stress to us the possible ramifications of striking because how you guys keep saying "the company is losing a lot of money daily" sounds like there won't even be a company worth saving. Starting to sound exactly like Simon Thompson now which is a sudden complete 180 to how you were not that long ago, so what has changed between the ballot result to now? Did yous only just looked at the financial books of Royal Mail? These are the questions that need answering.

[chrisj]

What would I do differently? Where do I start?

Asking that question shows the PEC has been out touch and continue to be clueless...

[datasaint]

I just don't believe the finances are that bad,that crap has been spouted for at least 20yrs.

Why? The wage bill at RM is about 50% of the revenue, before other expenditure. If the money we're taking in now from letters/parcels is less than what's required to pay the bills, then the company is in a loss making position. It can't go on indefinitely, as eventually the cash/credit will dry up.

[Martin Walsh]

I just don't believe the finances are that bad,that crap has been spouted for at least 20yrs.

The above is so easy to say. However if your wrong your free from any negative circumstances.

If the PE are wrong we talking thousands of our members jobs.

That is an huge gamble and one which concentrates my mind every minute of the day.

Like I said crunch time is the end of this week.

[POSTPERSON50]

Replace them with who?

With somebody who knows what they are doing

The signs were there when they cocked up the legal requirements when announcing strike dates.. more than once.
They blew it off as 'mistakes can be made in a dispute this long blah blah blah' but only the incompetent carry that attitude.

Not good enough.

[pieoftheday]

I just don't believe the finances are that bad,that crap has been spouted for at least 20yrs.

The above is so easy to say. However if your wrong your free from any negative circumstances.

If the PE are wrong we talking thousands of our members jobs.

That is an huge gamble and one which concentrates my mind every minute of the day.

Like I said crunch time is the end of this week.

If it's TRUE then it's either incompetence or something isnt quite right. You may well have a great deal more knowledge about what's going on but from my end somethings amiss. I really hope I'm wrong but ....

[2chorizon]

I just don't believe the finances are that bad,that crap has been spouted for at least 20yrs.

The above is so easy to say. However if your wrong your free from any negative circumstances.

If the PE are wrong we talking thousands of our members jobs.

That is an huge gamble and one which concentrates my mind every minute of the day.

Like I said crunch time is the end of this week.

I suspect what they mean by "Crunch Time" is that they have issued them with an ultimatum to reinstate all "Sacked (& suspended) Rep's" by the end of this week.

That's the game isnt it?

"Progress has been made in some areas" there has been no talks on Pay & T&C's.........

[chrisj]

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If the company is in a bad shape, then you need to stress to us the possible ramifications of striking because how you guys keep saying "the company is losing a lot of money daily" sounds like there won't even be a company worth saving. Starting to sound exactly like Simon Thompson now which is a sudden complete 180 to how you were not that long ago, so what has changed between the ballot result to now? Did yous only just looked at the financial books of Royal Mail? These are the questions that need answering.
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Thank you. It is almost sounding like there is no money to even pay us the final offer... So what exactly are they talking about or hoping to achieve? That question has not been answered right from the off - we hear more from Royal Mail than the CWU. Ironically, the Union is now sounding like Simon - at what point did they see the light?

Frustrating!

[Rommagic]

Why would we get back pay now? A year's back pay could cost £100m.Maybe we just keep the 2 per cent last year then this April another 4 per cent?.