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Are they still talking?

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CRIBMAD
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Re: Are they still talking?

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unfortunately i agree !
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CRIBMAD wrote:
27 Nov 2022, 14:34
The Communication Workers Union
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🚨 BREAKING: CWU make further attempt to resolve ongoing Royal Mail Group dispute with offer of urgent negotiations.
The ball is firmly in the court of Royal Mail Group CEO, Simon Thompson.
Please share the letter below as far and wide as possible.
…….
Dear Simon
As you know your proposed agreement has been unanimously rejected by the union’s Postal Executive.
The number of job losses associated with your plans for the future are completely unacceptable and represent the biggest assault on any group of UK workers in decades.
Only 18 months ago your employees and our members were praised as key workers that kept the country and the company going during the pandemic. It is outrageous that you now want to force through mass job losses, including compulsory redundancies, as part of what can only be described as an asset stripping plan.
It is also totally immoral and potentially illegal, for you and the Board to implement these proposals by choosing to simultaneously recruit unlimited numbers of self- employed drivers and new entrants on significantly inferior pay, terms and conditions, rather than retaining loyal and hardworking Royal Mail employees who still want a job.
There is no union or worker in the country that would accept this position.
Your proposals will also lead to the destruction of a 500-hundred-year old public service and the end of the Royal Mail brand as we know it.
Imposing up to 3 hour later starts means you are abandoning the a.m. delivery period, forever denying the opportunity to develop new products and services. This amounts to the company deliberately running down customer services and turning Royal Mail into just another gig economy employer.
On pay, you keep claiming that what you are offering is worth 9%, you know this is not true and our members have seen right through it.
It is now incumbent upon you to re-engage in intensive negotiations with the union to resolve this dispute – this is what your employees, our members and the public expect of the CEO. Nothing else can be more important. This means you personally investing the time required to reach agreement. No more picking and choosing when you attend the negotiations.
The CWU remains committed to a negotiated settlement and will make ourselves available for talks later today and on Monday and Tuesday.
During our ACAS talks, the union put forward an alternative plan for the future, which you and your team acknowledged had a lot of merit. It was also stated by your team that the RMG Board had a similar view. We now want to put our plan in front of the RMG Board and I will be writing separately to the Chair Keith Williams and all Board members on this.
In the meantime, let’s talk later today and make ourselves available as soon as possible for further direct negotiations or talks facilitated by ACAS.
Yours sincerely
Dave Ward
General Secretary

CC: Marina Glasgow, Keith Williams and Stuart McDonald
To talk about what? Surely the talking’s done and we’re now striking for victory on our terms. Nothing less.
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arsenalbob wrote:
27 Nov 2022, 14:59

To talk about what? Surely the talking’s done and we’re now striking for victory on our terms. Nothing less.
Striking for victory? With the CSPs getting closed from January and automatic redelivery getting launched nationally?
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Hopefully they can resume talks.
But mr Ward is right.. the ball is in their court. Customers are either prepared or have taken their custom elsewhere for Christmas so ST can pretend to engage once more and drag it out until the new year. By then the strikes won’t have the same impact at all and a lot of posties will be really feeling the pinch.

We started striking in august and it just feels like the past 5 months have been a waste of time. The original deal has barely changed and the strike days we could have gone in have been missed. The odd day here and the odd day there and then a few strikes cancelled has done nothing but confuse the public and frustrate the posties.

It feels like that old game show Deal or No Deal now. There are two boxes left. One has £100 on it the other has 1p in it but the banker is offering £1. But there is also a time limit and that time is running out.

What we don’t want is ST to say he will resume talks if strikes are cancelled. I think he has a game plan. Might not be linked but on bbc earlier there was a story about the government bringing in new laws within months to make industrial action more difficult.

A lot of things are conspiring against the CWU at the minute. It’s a perfect storm.
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Post by walthmstowman »

FilthyBloke wrote:
27 Nov 2022, 15:44
Hopefully they can resume talks.
But mr Ward is right.. the ball is in their court. Customers are either prepared or have taken their custom elsewhere for Christmas so ST can pretend to engage once more and drag it out until the new year. By then the strikes won’t have the same impact at all and a lot of posties will be really feeling the pinch.

We started striking in august and it just feels like the past 5 months have been a waste of time. The original deal has barely changed and the strike days we could have gone in have been missed. The odd day here and the odd day there and then a few strikes cancelled has done nothing but confuse the public and frustrate the posties.

It feels like that old game show Deal or No Deal now. There are two boxes left. One has £100 on it the other has 1p in it but the banker is offering £1. But there is also a time limit and that time is running out.

What we don’t want is ST to say he will resume talks if strikes are cancelled. I think he has a game plan. Might not be linked but on bbc earlier there was a story about the government bringing in new laws within months to make industrial action more difficult.

A lot of things are conspiring against the CWU at the minute. It’s a perfect storm.
I think the changes the government was looking at was a higher percentage of YES votes to be able to take industrial action . Going by our recent ballot results we should have no problems with that .
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Good letter. But seriously, just write straight to Dan Kretinsky.
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It seems like Simon is giving the union the silent treatment. A bit like when hubby has been out on the beers and his mrs gets shirty with him for being drunk.Who knows what will happen next.Dave wards letter sounds slightly desperate in the circumstances and I don’t think it’s going to make Thompson change his mind.
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roman wrote:
27 Nov 2022, 17:00
It seems like Simon is giving the union the silent treatment. A bit like when hubby has been out on the beers and his mrs gets shirty with him for being drunk.Who knows what will happen next.Dave wards letter sounds slightly desperate in the circumstances and I don’t think it’s going to make Thompson change his mind.
Its as much to show the media that they are trying to resolve it as anything else
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
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What is needed is less talk and more action.

Talking is no longer working
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Re: Are they still talking?

Post by Chitchat »

roman wrote:
27 Nov 2022, 17:00
It seems like Simon is giving the union the silent treatment. A bit like when hubby has been out on the beers and his mrs gets shirty with him for being drunk.Who knows what will happen next.Dave wards letter sounds slightly desperate in the circumstances and I don’t think it’s going to make Thompson change his mind.
He can't ignore us forever!
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Seems he's posted on workplace that he's not talking, strikes have cost too much and he won't talk until new year, and pay and condition talks will be for April 23 onwards
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It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
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Remarkable arrogance that comes as no surprise. Keep striking fcuk him and Royal Mail.
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He really needs to grow up.
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POSTMAN wrote:
27 Nov 2022, 20:25
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Well, that’s that then!