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RMCtv : Message from CEO Simon Thompson - Improved best and final offer presented to the CWU
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POSTMAN
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Re: RMCtv : Message from CEO Simon Thompson - Improved best and final offer presented to the CWU
CWU
Headlines of the Royal Mail Group Offer – MAKE SURE YOU READ THE FULL 7 PAGES
Offer is conditional on the CWU withdrawing all Industrial Action and balloting our members on the offer, which if rejected (absolutely the likely outcome) would not re-ballot their members for Industrial Action on Pay or Change matters, plus no further ballots for Industrial Action linked to proposed headcount reductions or the VR terms.
Everything proposed by RM in section 2 of the agreement will be subjected to a separate agreement to be agreed by Friday 9th December covering the specific detail, however until that is achieved all of the pay proposals are conditional on that agreement being signed, so absolutely nothing on offer factually!
All changes set out in the proposed agreement is agreed that the CWU locally or nationally will not raise any complaints under the IR Framework or Dispute Resolution Process.
• Some units have been proposed with over 30% reduction in headcount proposals therefore the guarantee of no compulsory redundancies after 31st March 2023 is real as stated it will be a consideration!
• Lump sum payments of £500 subject to a local revision and implementation of local change still yet to be defined, so no idea whether that will even be achieved.
• Sunday premium removed for all OPG grades phase over a period of time to April 2026, with no buyout, so for existing OPGs who work Sunday as conditioned hours a pay cut for each of the next 3 years.
• OT and S/A rates to follow the same principles of being reduced over a phased period and completed by 1st December 2025, so Monday to Sunday O/T and S/A is the same rate of pay.
• Sunday resourcing still subjected to threats of an alternative resourcing arrangement
• Seasonal hours employees to be told what those hours are.
• Scan in/Scan out information to be linked to payroll and rolled out nationally.
• Flexitime in Delivery to be trialled and then introduced to work alongside Yearly Flexible Hours, employees will be required to make up time on days as required by Royal Mail, in the event employees owed time to be agreed by management.
• Over the next 3 years unless locally able to progress sooner, last letter delivery time of 17:00
• RRIS payment frozen in 2023/24, removed over 3 equal steps in April 24, April 25 and April 26, i.e. pay cuts for employees in those years.
Section 3 agreement now for 346 hubs delivering all large format 3/4 parcels for the whole delivery estate and where a lack of resource or volunteers to transfer, alternative resourcing arrangements will be introduced.
Delivery trials linked to frameless offices and implantation from and after January 2023.
RM will consult CWU on the wide range of duty options already in existence to ensure loss of indoor work means outdoor spans are manageable and compatible with productivity targets.
Data and Technology used manage both team and individual performance along with use in individual conduct cases. Likewise the data will be used of self-initiated improvement for those falling shot of standards set.
That is the full breakdown and summary of the offer in front of everyone!
See you at 7:30pm. Facebook live
Headlines of the Royal Mail Group Offer – MAKE SURE YOU READ THE FULL 7 PAGES
Offer is conditional on the CWU withdrawing all Industrial Action and balloting our members on the offer, which if rejected (absolutely the likely outcome) would not re-ballot their members for Industrial Action on Pay or Change matters, plus no further ballots for Industrial Action linked to proposed headcount reductions or the VR terms.
Everything proposed by RM in section 2 of the agreement will be subjected to a separate agreement to be agreed by Friday 9th December covering the specific detail, however until that is achieved all of the pay proposals are conditional on that agreement being signed, so absolutely nothing on offer factually!
All changes set out in the proposed agreement is agreed that the CWU locally or nationally will not raise any complaints under the IR Framework or Dispute Resolution Process.
• Some units have been proposed with over 30% reduction in headcount proposals therefore the guarantee of no compulsory redundancies after 31st March 2023 is real as stated it will be a consideration!
• Lump sum payments of £500 subject to a local revision and implementation of local change still yet to be defined, so no idea whether that will even be achieved.
• Sunday premium removed for all OPG grades phase over a period of time to April 2026, with no buyout, so for existing OPGs who work Sunday as conditioned hours a pay cut for each of the next 3 years.
• OT and S/A rates to follow the same principles of being reduced over a phased period and completed by 1st December 2025, so Monday to Sunday O/T and S/A is the same rate of pay.
• Sunday resourcing still subjected to threats of an alternative resourcing arrangement
• Seasonal hours employees to be told what those hours are.
• Scan in/Scan out information to be linked to payroll and rolled out nationally.
• Flexitime in Delivery to be trialled and then introduced to work alongside Yearly Flexible Hours, employees will be required to make up time on days as required by Royal Mail, in the event employees owed time to be agreed by management.
• Over the next 3 years unless locally able to progress sooner, last letter delivery time of 17:00
• RRIS payment frozen in 2023/24, removed over 3 equal steps in April 24, April 25 and April 26, i.e. pay cuts for employees in those years.
Section 3 agreement now for 346 hubs delivering all large format 3/4 parcels for the whole delivery estate and where a lack of resource or volunteers to transfer, alternative resourcing arrangements will be introduced.
Delivery trials linked to frameless offices and implantation from and after January 2023.
RM will consult CWU on the wide range of duty options already in existence to ensure loss of indoor work means outdoor spans are manageable and compatible with productivity targets.
Data and Technology used manage both team and individual performance along with use in individual conduct cases. Likewise the data will be used of self-initiated improvement for those falling shot of standards set.
That is the full breakdown and summary of the offer in front of everyone!
See you at 7:30pm. Facebook live
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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redlen
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Re: RMCtv : Message from CEO Simon Thompson - Improved best and final offer presented to the CWU
You have to reballot after 13 weeks or the strikes are unlawful. The CWU has run out of timenightcrawler wrote: ↑23 Nov 2022, 15:52So if that’s RMs “final offer” what happens next? No more talks? Indefinite strikes?
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CRIBMAD
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Re: RMCtv : Message from CEO Simon Thompson - Improved best and final offer presented to the CWU
and i bet some morons would want to accept this to save a few quid , then whinge and whine when they are being worked into the ground even more than they are now !

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P13
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Re: RMCtv : Message from CEO Simon Thompson - Improved best and final offer presented to the CWU
The ballots are legal for 6 monthsredlen wrote: ↑23 Nov 2022, 15:54You have to reballot after 13 weeks or the strikes are unlawful. The CWU has run out of timenightcrawler wrote: ↑23 Nov 2022, 15:52So if that’s RMs “final offer” what happens next? No more talks? Indefinite strikes?
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Re: RMCtv : Message from CEO Simon Thompson - Improved best and final offer presented to the CWU
So, to sum up. Once again, it's a pay cut for everybody relative to inflation. And an actual pay cut for about half the work force.
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POSTMAN
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Re: RMCtv : Message from CEO Simon Thompson - Improved best and final offer presented to the CWU
I'm sure that is not correct, no doubt someone will confirm.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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P13
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redlen
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Re: RMCtv : Message from CEO Simon Thompson - Improved best and final offer presented to the CWU
Suggest you read the TULRCA 1992 mate after ACAS involvementP13 wrote: ↑23 Nov 2022, 16:01The ballots are legal for 6 monthsredlen wrote: ↑23 Nov 2022, 15:54You have to reballot after 13 weeks or the strikes are unlawful. The CWU has run out of timenightcrawler wrote: ↑23 Nov 2022, 15:52So if that’s RMs “final offer” what happens next? No more talks? Indefinite strikes?
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Murdoch
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Re: RMCtv : Message from CEO Simon Thompson - Improved best and final offer presented to the CWU
The ballot is legal for 6 months.
The legal protection against dismissal for strike action, ends after 12 weeks. Which runs till December 23rd according to Martin.
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redlen
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Re: RMCtv : Message from CEO Simon Thompson - Improved best and final offer presented to the CWU
Continued employment is only legally protected during the first 12 weeks of strikes. After 12 weeks, you can be dismissed if you take industrial action and your employer has tried to settle the dispute.
The only alternative is a fresh ballot if the dispute is to continue
The only alternative is a fresh ballot if the dispute is to continue
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P13
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Re: RMCtv : Message from CEO Simon Thompson - Improved best and final offer presented to the CWU
Do you work for royal mail ? and I'm not your mate .redlen wrote: ↑23 Nov 2022, 16:06Suggest you read the TULRCA 1992 mate after ACAS involvementP13 wrote: ↑23 Nov 2022, 16:01The ballots are legal for 6 monthsredlen wrote: ↑23 Nov 2022, 15:54You have to reballot after 13 weeks or the strikes are unlawful. The CWU has run out of timenightcrawler wrote: ↑23 Nov 2022, 15:52So if that’s RMs “final offer” what happens next? No more talks? Indefinite strikes?
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redlen
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Re: RMCtv : Message from CEO Simon Thompson - Improved best and final offer presented to the CWU
Actually, yes, and what has that got to do with the question being asked?
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Re: RMCtv : Message from CEO Simon Thompson - Improved best and final offer presented to the CWU
How on earth is anybody going to accept that offer lol, there's more strings than the philharmonic and the pay offer is dreadful. Get some extra dates announced for December, stay strong back the union. Let's take this plonker down!!