Alternative plan

[norris9]

Thompson wants to destroy the CWU then he wishes to leave with explosions happening behind him and a big grin on his face. Just imagine his big smiling face.

CWU can see through Thompson to avoid that from happening. Thompson will likely be left in a situation where he has no choice but to leave after he fails to do the above.

[Surreypostie]

All we want is a pay rise inline with inflation without strings it is that simple.

While I agree with what you are saying, Martin Walsh on another thread said there will be no pay rise without change, if he is saying it, you will not get your wish. He is one of the 17 wise men afterall.

[TopperGas]

All we want is a pay rise inline with inflation without strings it is that simple.

While I agree with what you are saying, Martin Walsh on another thread said there will be no pay rise without change, if he is saying it, you will not get your wish. He is one of the 17 wise men afterall.

DW's also said the same on at least two occasions, although what changes he's discussing is another matter.

[plymouth3]

I remember from a previous CWU video that they had some bizarre ideas, like meter readings, prescription deliveries etc. the general idea is good, ie whilst we are delivering to 27m addresses we should be seeking out growth opportunities.

[ReturnToSenderrr]

I'm not toeing the company line, I just would like to hear the Unions proposals. Dave has said on a number of occasions he has alternative plans. Surely we as Union members should be able to at least discuss them?

I have been asking this same question here for 3 weeks. My conclusion is that there doesn't seem to be a plan. It's just hollow waffle and buzzwords. Members here just want to rant and rave about CEOs and bonuses; not the realistic outcome of negotiations and the future direction of the company.

What's frustrating is that this is the only plan the Union seems willing to discuss. It keeps reiterating that it has no interest in negotiating with the company over its plan, but only wants to present the Union's "alternative business plan" in negotiations. This then guarantees that talks will go nowhere. Why are the company going to sign off on a plan that has no plan - clearly with no economic viability whatsoever - and then give us a pay rise to boot?

The Union has more or less exhausted my patience with this. They seem only interested in prolonging this dispute for as long as possible, teasing its members along with nothing more than combative rhetoric and phantom "plans". Two weeks ago Dave Ward promised to share the following week (last week) what this "alternative vision" was. What did we get? The same insufferable waffle about "expanding the USO" with "innovative new products" that offer "social value"... And they are?

I wanted realism and hard bargaining from the Union, not fantasy role playing. They didn't ballot for whatever this is.

I can no longer participate in striking for a cause I'm not even sure exists.

[aiden01]

I'm not toeing the company line, I just would like to hear the Unions proposals. Dave has said on a number of occasions he has alternative plans. Surely we as Union members should be able to at least discuss them?

I have been asking this same question here for 3 weeks. My conclusion is that there doesn't seem to be a plan. It's just hollow waffle and buzzwords. Members here just want to rant and rave about CEOs and bonuses; not the realistic outcome of negotiations and the future direction of the company.

What's frustrating is that this is the only plan the Union seems willing to discuss. It keeps reiterating that it has no interest in negotiating with the company over its plan, but only wants to present the Union's "alternative business plan" in negotiations. This then guarantees that talks will go nowhere. Why are the company going to sign off on a plan that has no plan - clearly with no economic viability whatsoever - and then give us a pay rise to boot?

The Union has more or less exhausted my patience with this. They seem only interested in prolonging this dispute for as long as possible, teasing its members along with nothing more than combative rhetoric and phantom "plans". Two weeks ago Dave Ward promised to share the following week (last week) what this "alternative vision" was. What did we get? The same insufferable waffle about "expanding the USO" with "innovative new products" that offer "social value"... And they are?

I wanted realism and hard bargaining from the Union, not fantasy role playing. They didn't ballot for whatever this is.

I can no longer participate in striking for a cause I'm not even sure exists.

Another faller then fs

[k979aaa]

4 post's and gave up before he/she came on here no loss.

[einastronaut]

4 post's and gave up before he/she came on here no loss.

It's a shame. You're losing the silent majority. These concerns are being expressed behind the scenes in every office. Soon all you'll have left is the militant echo chambers. Instead of wondering how to keep everyone onside, you mock their concerns and wave them off.

All the Union had to do was tell us the plan that we're now ostensibly striking to see enacted. But no, it's either a closely guarded secret, or doesn't exist.

[k979aaa]

4 post's and gave up before he/she came on here no loss.

It's a shame. You're losing the silent majority. These concerns are being expressed behind the scenes in every office. Soon all you'll have left is the militant echo chambers. Instead of wondering how to keep everyone onside, you mock their concerns and wave them off.

All the Union had to do was tell us the plan that we're now ostensibly striking to see enacted. But no, it's either a closely guarded secret, or doesn't exist.

Nice probably the same dude

[Binsey]

I remember from a previous CWU video that they had some bizarre ideas, like meter readings, prescription deliveries etc. the general idea is good, ie whilst we are delivering to 27m addresses we should be seeking out growth opportunities.

The French National Postal operator La Poste aleady does this.

Not all bad ideas are French.

[k979aaa]

I remember from a previous CWU video that they had some bizarre ideas, like meter readings, prescription deliveries etc. the general idea is good, ie whilst we are delivering to 27m addresses we should be seeking out growth opportunities.

The French National Postal operator La Poste aleady does this.

Not all bad ideas are French.

They also cross subsidize like GLS/"IDS" don't want too!

[ReturnToSenderrr]

4 post's and gave up before he/she came on here no loss.

I'll never give up. Fight clever.

[robson144]

I'm not toeing the company line, I just would like to hear the Unions proposals. Dave has said on a number of occasions he has alternative plans. Surely we as Union members should be able to at least discuss them?

I have been asking this same question here for 3 weeks. My conclusion is that there doesn't seem to be a plan. It's just hollow waffle and buzzwords. Members here just want to rant and rave about CEOs and bonuses; not the realistic outcome of negotiations and the future direction of the company.

What's frustrating is that this is the only plan the Union seems willing to discuss. It keeps reiterating that it has no interest in negotiating with the company over its plan, but only wants to present the Union's "alternative business plan" in negotiations. This then guarantees that talks will go nowhere. Why are the company going to sign off on a plan that has no plan - clearly with no economic viability whatsoever - and then give us a pay rise to boot?

The Union has more or less exhausted my patience with this. They seem only interested in prolonging this dispute for as long as possible, teasing its members along with nothing more than combative rhetoric and phantom "plans". Two weeks ago Dave Ward promised to share the following week (last week) what this "alternative vision" was. What did we get? The same insufferable waffle about "expanding the USO" with "innovative new products" that offer "social value"... And they are?

I wanted realism and hard bargaining from the Union, not fantasy role playing. They didn't ballot for whatever this is.

I can no longer participate in striking for a cause I'm not even sure exists.

Another faller then fs

No, he is right. Every time the union go “live” they just repeat the same garbage over and over again with no proper updates. It’s getting tiresome.

We are all going to be losing hundreds/thousands of pounds over this so I expect some sort of daily update from them with what’s going on. But instead the CWU are on twitter saying RM and BT are on strike Thursday and it’s going to be “one hell of a week” like it’s some sort of game to them.

[Surreypostie]

No, he is right. Every time the union go “live” they just repeat the same garbage over and over again with no proper updates. It’s getting tiresome.

We are all going to be losing hundreds/thousands of pounds over this so I expect some sort of daily update from them with what’s going on. But instead the CWU are on twitter saying RM and BT are on strike Thursday and it’s going to be “one hell of a week” like it’s some sort of game to them.
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That head of communications seems to think it is some kind of game, type this in the comments, type that in the comments it's sickening, it isn;t a game, if this all goes wrong peoples lives will be royally screwed and with some of the deals of the century we have had in the past I am not full of faith I am sorry to say.. Considering the amount of employees there are, barely a fraction tune into these live sessions, 5? 6000? Not even 10% of the staff and yes, basically they say nothing.

[Seymour Buts]

I've no idea, but the whole thing is a gimmick that is wasting ours and the union's time.