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Simon letter to CWU to call off tomorrows strike.

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Re: Simon letter to CWU to call off tomorrows strike.

Post by IloveMYredTROLLEY! »

Simon needs something to focus on, such as provisional strike dates just after Amazon Black Friday and during each week of Xmas pressure. If a fair deal doesn't promptly get approved by us, companies will ditch Royal Mail this winter and poor Simon and his board won't get their sickening bonuses.
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Re: Simon letter to CWU to call off tomorrows strike.

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We're gonna destroy your reputation for "business" mate.

And at the end? Youu'll have your money but an empty, dead soul, but we'll have a decent job and contentment.

See you on the picket line, champ.
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Re: Simon letter to CWU to call off tomorrows strike.

Post by aiden01 »

sindba wrote:
25 Aug 2022, 22:49
We're gonna destroy your reputation for "business" mate.

And at the end? Youu'll have your money but an empty, dead soul, but we'll have a decent job and contentment.

See you on the picket line, champ.
No he will not he has'nt a soul.
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Re: Simon letter to CWU to call off tomorrows strike.

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With inflation set to reach 13% to 18% by December/January I think a pay rise around 8% is a fair deal with no strings. Given that they gave away £400 million in dividends a low pay rise of 8% shows the workers are willing to give something back to invest in the business. Sent from Bristol Mail Centre f**k up.
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Re: Simon letter to CWU to call off tomorrows strike.

Post by k979aaa »

Perhaps the financials of the business would be in a better state had the CEO of ROYAL MAIL not set about losing £1 million a day on 10,000 agency staff and 2000 hire vans and the £1000 bribe to managers not to strike? But again all it takes is a decent pay rise inline with inflation and respecting agreements and working with the union not against them and us as a whole!
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Re: Simon letter to CWU to call off tomorrows strike.

Post by teesdale »

SIMON IF YOU CAN FIND KEITH HE WILL TELL YOU WHAT TO DO NEXT.
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Re: Simon letter to CWU to call off tomorrows strike.

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teesdale wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 01:52
SIMON IF YOU CAN FIND KEITH HE WILL TELL YOU WHAT TO DO NEXT.
Best I can do as paywall on most https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Wil ... sinessman) but he did over the cabin crew at BA
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Re: Simon letter to CWU to call off tomorrows strike.

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Is the best surrender letter in history ie not conceding anything or availed threat to us all this man speaks with a fork tongue time will tell.
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Re: Simon letter to CWU to call off tomorrows strike.

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Could be my failing eyesight.......Simon Thompson has physically added two things to this letter....his signature and the date.....and has got one of them wrong.
It's 2022.....
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Re: Simon letter to CWU to call off tomorrows strike.

Post by LaggyBand »

Hockeygull wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 06:59
Could be my failing eyesight.......Simon Thompson has physically added two things to this letter....his signature and the date.....and has got one of them wrong.
It's 2022.....
Please tell me you ain’t on IPS
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Re: Simon letter to CWU to call off tomorrows strike.

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Schiff wrote:
25 Aug 2022, 20:01

The shareholders, when they invested in RM on privatisation, knew that it wasn't simply another parcels business but also had the onerous commitment to deliver letters under the USO. Arguing now that they are losing money on letters so we, the employees, should pay the price to provide a better return to investors is asinine thinking. The investors should have done their due diligence.
Absolutely. I am fed up of hearing the "we need to make other changes to compensate declining letters". This has been a consistent and very predictable decline for more than a decade and you can't lean on this reason forever, especially when we are heavily invested already in parcels.
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Re: Simon letter to CWU to call off tomorrows strike.

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k979aaa wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 02:00
teesdale wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 01:52
SIMON IF YOU CAN FIND KEITH HE WILL TELL YOU WHAT TO DO NEXT.
Best I can do as paywall on most https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Wil ... sinessman) but he did over the cabin crew at BA
I'm currently subscribed to the guardian, don't know if any can read this article, but it gives Keith Williams thoughts on Royal Mail and modernisation.

Some of the things he mentions

he does not mince his words. His message to the company’s 115,000 employees is simple: “Without modernisation we die.”

Williams response: “The amount of change you could put through this business is absolutely enormous. But they want to do a no-strings pay deal and we can’t agree to that. We have no choice.”

Williams has taken the unusual step of threatening to break up the group if the CWU blocks reorganisation. Under this doomsday scenario, Royal Mail would be split off from its international arm, GLS, which has provided the engine room for profits in recent years. “We will look for significant operational change or split the company,” says Williams.

Williams says: “Even if you did cross-subsidise, if you don’t get the change in the business, what’s the point? This is a dispute about the future of the company. It’s about can you change into being a parcels business. There are a lot of strikes across the country right now, but what I want to be clear about is this one is different.”

. In late 2020, after ousting the chief executive Rico Back – who failed to cultivate good relations with the union – Williams ended a two-year dispute with a pay and hours deal in return for plans to automate processes and offer longer delivery windows. However, despite implementing the pay rise, executives argue they have not seen the change they demanded at its delivery offices. The union have to come along primarily to the idea of change and pay which recognises that, rather than the other way round. Every other agreement we did we have paid the pay and never got the change,” he says.

Williams wants Royal Mail to match these services. “The union says it won’t accept hours later into the night but we’re up against competition that delivers until 10pm,” he says.

“We pay 40% more than the market. Unless we become more efficient we will run into trouble. This is not a race to the bottom. But we’ve got to be as or more efficient than other companies. We are not that today.”
He adds: “Since privatisation the union effectively won 26% pay increases for its membership. Nurses have had 14%. That’s not bad.”
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
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Re: Simon letter to CWU to call off tomorrows strike.

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Keith Williams is living in cloud cuckoo land if he thinks people will be delivering parcels at 10 at night or on Sundays maybe he should do it himself first after he has managed to extract his finger from his arse!
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Re: Simon letter to CWU to call off tomorrows strike.

Post by Schiff »

postslippete wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 08:58
k979aaa wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 02:00
teesdale wrote:
26 Aug 2022, 01:52
SIMON IF YOU CAN FIND KEITH HE WILL TELL YOU WHAT TO DO NEXT.
Best I can do as paywall on most https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Wil ... sinessman) but he did over the cabin crew at BA
I'm currently subscribed to the guardian, don't know if any can read this article, but it gives Keith Williams thoughts on Royal Mail and modernisation.

Some of the things he mentions

he does not mince his words. His message to the company’s 115,000 employees is simple: “Without modernisation we die.”

Williams response: “The amount of change you could put through this business is absolutely enormous. But they want to do a no-strings pay deal and we can’t agree to that. We have no choice.”

Williams has taken the unusual step of threatening to break up the group if the CWU blocks reorganisation. Under this doomsday scenario, Royal Mail would be split off from its international arm, GLS, which has provided the engine room for profits in recent years. “We will look for significant operational change or split the company,” says Williams.

Williams says: “Even if you did cross-subsidise, if you don’t get the change in the business, what’s the point? This is a dispute about the future of the company. It’s about can you change into being a parcels business. There are a lot of strikes across the country right now, but what I want to be clear about is this one is different.”

. In late 2020, after ousting the chief executive Rico Back – who failed to cultivate good relations with the union – Williams ended a two-year dispute with a pay and hours deal in return for plans to automate processes and offer longer delivery windows. However, despite implementing the pay rise, executives argue they have not seen the change they demanded at its delivery offices. The union have to come along primarily to the idea of change and pay which recognises that, rather than the other way round. Every other agreement we did we have paid the pay and never got the change,” he says.

Williams wants Royal Mail to match these services. “The union says it won’t accept hours later into the night but we’re up against competition that delivers until 10pm,” he says.

“We pay 40% more than the market. Unless we become more efficient we will run into trouble. This is not a race to the bottom. But we’ve got to be as or more efficient than other companies. We are not that today.”
He adds: “Since privatisation the union effectively won 26% pay increases for its membership. Nurses have had 14%. That’s not bad.”
Keith Williams can compare us to other "parcel companies " as much as we want. The fact is that we are not other parcel companies. We are unique. They don't have the vast majority of their staff out walking the streets doing a half marathon each and every day because they are obliged to deliver letters at a low cost to every single address in the country.

He should be spending his time convincing the regulator to significantly increase the price of stamps to reflect the huge cost that this obligation imposes on the business. Instead he simply wants his staff to walk further and faster each day, with less sick pay when they are unable to do so due to injury, getting them out the door quicker when they are injured too often and effectively removing the ill-health retirement payment for those who the job physically damages to the point that they simply can't do it any longer.

This is a fight that we cannot afford to lose.
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Re: Simon letter to CWU to call off tomorrows strike.

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I’m pretty certain we have no direct competitors. Who else delivers letters? Maybe I’m missing something? :hmmmm