RMCtv : Zareena 'I'm still a people person-not when it comes to money tho' Brown : Some allowances just don't make sense at this point in time-so we want to take 'em away

[Chelseablue]

So if

1. Royal Mail don't want to take the old allowances away, and
2. Ensure that everyone is on the same pay for the same work


Why don't they just upgrade those allowances to the existing employees so that they are all on parity?


For example, if you have a Workplace coach receiving an extra £38 per week. Why can't they just give everyone else a similar pay increase every week as well? After all, I've trained more guys up than our current WPC

Imagine the savings made doing away with Workplace coach money !!!!

[Woody Guthrie]

Tbh would not recommend this job to anyone now.

Maybe someone training for a triathlon?
The union obsession with protecting full time jobs is misguided if longer and longer delivery spans is the result.

The only difference between full time and part time is the indoor bit so whether you're part time or full time, you're still going to have the longer delivery spans

That's not what he means.
The indoor workload is shrinking.
There are only two ways of addressing that.
Replace full-time staff with part-time staff or replace indoor workload with outdoor workload.
The union chooses the latter.. to protect full-time jobs.

[clashcityrocker]

The only difference between full time and part time is the indoor bit so whether you're part time or full time, you're still going to have the longer delivery spans

You so don't understand ........
If you have shorter delivery spans you have fewer full time jobs.
The protection of full time jobs (or a full time income stream as the more cynical would put it) has driven the increase in delivery spans.

If we had 3 hour deliveries we would have very few full time opportunities but we might be able to walk when we retire.

[SpacePhoenix]

The only difference between full time and part time is the indoor bit so whether you're part time or full time, you're still going to have the longer delivery spans

You so don't understand ........
If you have shorter delivery spans you have fewer full time jobs.
The protection of full time jobs (or a full time income stream as the more cynical would put it) has driven the increase in delivery spans.

If we had 3 hour deliveries we would have very few full time opportunities but we might be able to walk when we retire.

Would you rather be out on delivery 7 days a week? 35hrs split over 7 days would give 5hr long shifts, potentially the same delivery spans if indoor work were to be removed off to separate duties

[clashcityrocker]

I don't have a clue what you are going on about.

[Woody Guthrie]

Would you rather be out on delivery 7 days a week? 35hrs split over 7 days would give 5hr long shifts, potentially the same delivery spans if indoor work were to be removed off to separate duties

I think I've probably said this before but delivery is clearly not something you understand at all so it's maybe best all round if you leave it to those that do.

Having said that since it's obviously an obsession of yours perhaps you could apply for a transfer and pick up some much needed experience.

You and I could job swap, give it some thought and get back to me...

[barrychuckle]

Would you rather be out on delivery 7 days a week? 35hrs split over 7 days would give 5hr long shifts, potentially the same delivery spans if indoor work were to be removed off to separate duties

I think I've probably said this before but delivery is clearly not something you understand at all so it's maybe best all round if you leave it to those that do.

Having said that since it's obviously an obsession of yours perhaps you could apply for a transfer and pick up some much needed experience.

You and I could job swap, give it some thought and get back to me...

[SpacePhoenix]

Would you rather be out on delivery 7 days a week? 35hrs split over 7 days would give 5hr long shifts, potentially the same delivery spans if indoor work were to be removed off to separate duties

I think I've probably said this before but delivery is clearly not something you understand at all so it's maybe best all round if you leave it to those that do.

Having said that since it's obviously an obsession of yours perhaps you could apply for a transfer and pick up some much needed experience.

You and I could job swap, give it some thought and get back to me...

As RM automate more and more sorting in MCs, they're going to have loads of data, so eventually you'll have to say goodbye to fixed walks. They'll eventually have enough data that for each day they'll decide which walks will get lapsed and which walks the lapsing will get added to. I'd give it five years tops before RM introduce dynamically generated walks, the software already exists but just needs scaling up, and will work better as more stuff gets sorted by machine.

The technology for sequencing packets already exists and if improved I can see RM bring it in eventually. You think the delivery spans are bad now, just wait until that gets brought in, you'll be nearly 100% outdoor time only when RM eventually bring it in.

[barrychuckle]

Maybe the MC workers who loose their duties with all this automation can be relocated to DO's to prep 6 door 2 doors for each delivery as us delivery staff will be outside delivering 100% of the time. Oh and don't forget the redirections, sort and prep the loose mail, tie up and load the vans/HCT. Spacepheonix you really do not have a clue as to what delivery involves.

[SpacePhoenix]

Maybe the MC workers who loose their duties with all this automation can be relocated to DO's to prep 6 door 2 doors for each delivery as us delivery staff will be outside delivering 100% of the time. Oh and don't forget the redirections, sort and prep the loose mail, tie up and load the vans/HCT. Spacepheonix you really do not have a clue as to what delivery involves.

Won't affect us, just means less casuals will be needed. I can't see letters and flats being more than twice a week within the next couple of years, maybe even once a week

[barrychuckle]

Maybe the MC workers who loose their duties with all this automation can be relocated to DO's to prep 6 door 2 doors for each delivery as us delivery staff will be outside delivering 100% of the time. Oh and don't forget the redirections, sort and prep the loose mail, tie up and load the vans/HCT. Spacepheonix you really do not have a clue as to what delivery involves.

Won't affect us, just means less casuals will be needed. I can't see letters and flats being more than twice a week within the next couple of years, maybe even once a week

You really know how to get people's backs up. I'm all right Jack sod the rest of you.

[fb1969]

Yet another thread gets taken off topic by SpacePhoenix prattling on about changes in delivery offices but no changes in mail centres.

I've never worked in a mail centre so never comment on what goes on there, let alone what I think may change. There is enough s**t in the company without someone adding bullshit to it.

[SpacePhoenix]

Yet another thread gets taken off topic by SpacePhoenix prattling on about changes in delivery offices but no changes in mail centres.

I've never worked in a mail centre so never comment on what goes on there, let alone what I think may change. There is enough s**t in the company without someone adding bullshit to it.

The changes that will happen in MCs is more automation, which means less staff required. We already have a good few casuals on each shift so it'll eliminate the need for casuals so it doesn't affect MC staff.

More automation means RM have more and more data each day on what each walk has got for that day, giving them more options for what walks are lapsed.

[fb1969]

Yeah I think you've mentioned it on numerous threads in the past.

[postieblueshirt]

Maybe the MC workers who loose their duties with all this automation can be relocated to DO's to prep 6 door 2 doors for each delivery as us delivery staff will be outside delivering 100% of the time. Oh and don't forget the redirections, sort and prep the loose mail, tie up and load the vans/HCT. Spacepheonix you really do not have a clue as to what delivery involves.

Won't affect us, just means less casuals will be needed. I can't see letters and flats being more than twice a week within the next couple of years, maybe even once a week

bring it on couldnt care less been in to long to walk away but il go if being made to go take what i can get and find something else.the level of crap this job throws at you is mad.so much so we need an online forum to vent anger or even find out wtf is happening is crazy.this job is beyond ridiculus now.such a simple job made so hard.